Pokémon (Games) Revision: Attack Potency

[AidenBrooks999]

Fire Red/Leaf Gree

• Brock: At least Multi-City Block level (As a Gym Leader, should be stronger than the trainer on his Gym, who commands a Diglett)

• Misty: At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher (Stronger than Brock and just below Lt. Surge)

• Lt. Surge: Likely Multi-City Block level+ (Stronger than Misty and than the trainers on his Gym, one of them commanding a Magnemite)

• Erika: At least Multi-City Block level+, possibly Small Town level (Stronger than Lt. Surge and just below Sabrina)

• Sabrina: At least Small Town level (Stronger than Erika), likely Town level (Comparable to Red, who should have a fully evolved started by this point)

• Kouga: Town level (Stronger than Sabrina)

• Blaine: Town level (Stronger than Kouga)

• Giovanni: At least Town level (Stronger than Blaine by a considerable margin)
• Lorelei: At least Town level (Considerably stronger than Giovanni)

• Bruno: At least Town level (Superior to Lorelei. Commands a Machamp)

• Agatha: At least Town level (Superior to Bruno), likely Small City level (Sightly weaker than Lance)

• Lance: At least Town level, likely City level (Superior to Agatha and commands a well trained Gyarados and Dragonite.)
• Blue/Red (End-Game): City level (Stronger than Lance)

Heart Gold/Soul Silver

• Falkner: Wall level, possibly Building level (Should be superior to Cyndaquil)

• Bugsy: Likely City Block level (Should be not that much weaker than Whitney)

• Whitney: At least Multi-City Block level+, possibly Small Town level (Much stronger than the trainers in the Goldenrod City Tunnel, one of them commanding a Magnemite)

• Morty: At least Small Town level, possibly Town level (Stronger than Whitney)

• Chuck: At least Town level, possibly higher (Stronger than Morty)

• Jasmine: At least Town level, likely higher (Stronger than Chuck)

• Pryce: At least Town level, likely higher (Comparable to Jasmine)

• Clair: At least Town level (Stronger than Jasmine and Pryce by a good margin), likely City level (Comparable to Ethan, who should have a fully evolved starter by this point)
• Elite 4: City level (Stronger than Clair)

• Lance: At least City level (Stronger than the Elite Four)
• Kanto Gym Leaders (Pre-Rematch): At least City level (Stronger than Lance)

• Blue (Pre-Rematch): At least City level+, likely higher (The strongest Gym Leaders in Kanto, should be stronger than before)

• Kanto Gym Leaders (Rematch): At least City level+, likely higher (Stronger than before, comparable to Pre-Rematch Blue)

• Blue (Rematch): At least Mountain level, likely higher (Stronger than before. Commands a very well-trained Tyranitar)

• Lance (Rematch): At least Mountain level, likely higher (Stronger than before. Comparable to Blue, who commands a very well-trained Tyranitar)

• Red: Likely Large Mountain level (The strongest trainer in both Johto and Kanto by a significantly big margin)

Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald

• Roxanne: Likely Small Town level (Not too far behind)

• Brawley: Likely Town level (Considerably weaker than Wattson, but not too far behind)

• Wattson: Large Town level (Commands a well-trained Magneto and Manetric. Not too far behind Courtney)

• Flannery: City level (Stronger than Wattson and Courtney, the ladder who commands a well-trained Camerupt)

• Norman: City level (Superior to Flannery)

• Winona: At least City level (Stronger than Norman)

• Tate and Liza: At least City level, likely Mountain level (Considerably stronger than Winona)

• Wallace: Likely Mountain level (Stronger than Tate and Liza)

• Elite Four: At least Mountain level

• Steven: At least Mountain level, likely higher
• Anabel: At least Mountain level, likely higher

Colosseum

• Miror B: Likely Mountain level (As a Cipher Admin, he should be close to Dakim, who commands a well trained Camerupt and Shadow Entei)

• Dakim: At least Mountain level (Superior to Miror B. and commands a well trained Camerupt and Shadow Entei)

• Venus: At least Mountain level (Superior to Dakim and commands Shadow Suicune)

• Ein: At least Mountain level (Superior to Venus and commands Shadow Raikou)

• Realgam Tower Admins: At least Mountain level, likely higher (Stronger than before and comparable with each other)

• Gonzap: At least Mountain level, likely higher (Slighty superior to rematch Ein and commands Shadow Skarmory)

• Nascour: At least Mountain level, likely higher (Slighty superior to Gonzap and commands Shadow Metagross)

• Evice: Likely Small Island level (Vastly superior to Nascour. and commands an extremely powerful Shadow Tyranitar, which is one of the strongest Shadow Pokémon)

• Team Snagem Base Gonzap: Likely Small Island level (Stronger than before and comparable with Evice)

• Deep Colosseum Admins: Likely Small Island level (Stronger than before and comparable with Evice)

• Agnol: Likely Small Island level (Slighty superior to Evice)

• Fein: Likely Small Island level (Comparable to Agnol)

XD

• Lovrina: At least Multi-City Block level+, possibly Small Town level (Much stronger than Cabol Magnemite)
• Miror B: At least Multi-City Block level+, possibly Small Town level (Comparable to Lovrina and below Exol)

• Exol: At least Small Town level, likely Town level (Close to Snattle)

• Snattle: At least Town level, likely higher (Comparable to Chobin)

• Robo Chobin: At least Town level, likely higher (Commands a well-trained Gyarados)

• Miror B. Rematch: At least Town level, likely higher

• Gonzap: At least Small City level, likely City level (Close to Gorigan)

• Gorigan: At least City level (Stronger than Seiban, who commands a well-trained Camerupt)

• Lovrina Rematch: At least City level (Slighty stronger than Gorigan)

• Snattle Rematch: At least City level, likely Mountain level

• Gonzap Rematch: Likely Mountain level (Stronger than before)
• Ardos: Mountain level

• Eldes: At least Mountain level (Superior to Eldes)

• Greevil: At least Mountain level

• Miror B. Final: At least Mountain level (Slighty superior to Greevil)

• Orre Colosseum Bosses: At least Mountain level, likely higher (Vastly stronger than Lobel Tyranitar and Jedo Raikou)

Diamond/Pearl/Platinum

• Roark: At least Large Building level, likely higher (Commands a well-trained Onix)

• Gardenia: At least City Block level (Considerably stronger than Roark), likely Multi-City Block level (Not much weaker than Maylene)

• Maylene: At least Town level, likely higher (Comparable to Crasher Wake)

• Crasher Wake: At least Town level, likely higher (Commands a well-trained Gyarados) [Note: I know that Gyarados City level feat is questionable, but the Town level calc is already a lowball, so even if it was made across time, stills Town level]

• Fantina: At least Small City level (Considerably stronger than Crasher Wake), likely City level (Slightly weaker than Byron)

• Byron: City level (Sightly weaker than Candice)

• Candice: Likely City level+ [Well, she has already a profile]

• Volkner: At least City level+, likely Mountain level (Stronger than Candice)

• Aaron/Bertha: Likely Mountai level (Considerably stronger than Volkner)
• Flint/Lucian: Mountain level

• Cynthia: At least Mountain level
• Dahlia: At least Mountain level, likely higher (Superior to Cynthia and the Tyranitar used by a trainer in the Battle Frontier)
• Palmer: At least Mountain level, likely higher

Black/White

• Cilan/Chili/Cress [I'll make a profile of the 3 together]: At least Building level, likely Large Building level (Not too far behind Lenora)

• Lenora: Likely City Block level (Not too far behind Burgh)

• Burgh: Likely Multi-City Block level (Not too far behind Elesa)

• Elesa: Small Town level (The kinetic energy of her Zebstrika moving at lighting speed would yield an energy of around 1.84 Kilotons)

• Clay: Likely Town level (Stronger than Elesa)

• Skyla: At least Town level (Stronger than Clay)

• Brycen: At least Town level, likely higher (Stronger than Skyla)

• Drayden/Iris: Likely Large Town level (Considerably stronger than Brycen/Noah)
• Elite 4 (B/W): Likely Small City level (Considerably stronger than Drayden/Iris).
• N: City level (Superior to the Elite 4)
• Elite 4 Rematch: At least Mountain level (Superior to the Tyranitar on Route 15)

• Alder: At least Mountain level (Superior to Elite 4 Rematch and commands a well-trained Volcarona)

Black 2/White 2

• Cheren: At least Large Building level, likely City Block level (Not too far behind Roxie)

• Roxie: Likely Multi-City Block level (Not too far behind Burgh)

• Burgh: Likely Small Town level (Not too far behind Elesa)

• Elesa: Likely Town level (Considering that 2 years passed, she should be stronger)

• Clay: At least Town level (Stronger than Elesa)

• Skyla: At least Town level, likely higher (Stronger than Clay)

• Drayden: Likely Large Town level (Stronger than Skyla)

• Marlon: Likely Small City level (Considerably stronger than Drayden)
• Ghetsis: City level (Superior to Marlon)
• Elite 4: At least City level (Considerably stronger than Marlon and Ghetsis)

• Iris: At least Mountai level (Superior to Alder and much stronger than the Elite Four)

• World Tournament: At least Mountain level (Scaling from Brock's Tyranitar and Candice's much stronger Abomasnow)

• Champions Tournament: At least Small Island level (Scaling from Red, who should be much stronger)

X/Y

• Viola: Unknow [She is much weaker than Grant, I think that at best she could be City Block level]
• Grant: Likely Small Town level, possibly higher (Not too far behind Korrina)
• Korrina: At least Town level (Commands a well-trained Hawlucha)
• Ramos: At least Town level, likely higher (Stronger than Korrina)
• Clemont: Large Town level (As the Gym Leader, should be stronger than the trainers on his Gym, one of them commanding a Manetric)
• Valerie: Large Town level (Stronger than Clemont)
• Olympia: Likely Small City level (Considerably stronger than Valerie)
• Lysandre: Likely City level (Much stronger than trainers like Korrina, who commands a well-trained Hawlucha. Weaker than Wulfric)
• Wulfric: City level+ (Commands a well-trained Abomasnow)
• AZ: Likely Mountain level (Stronger than Wulfric)
• Elite 4: Likely Mountain level (Superior than AZ)
• Diantha: At least Mountain level (Superior to the Elite 4)

Sun/Moo

• Ilima: At least Multi-City Block level (Weaker than Kahuna Hala)
• Kahuna Hala: At least Multi-City Block level, likely higher (Vastly superior to Office Worker Jeremy, who commands a Diglett)

• Gladion: At least Multi-City Block level+, possibly Small Town level (Vastly superior to Kahuna Hala, after him the player will fight Solo Wishiwashi)

• Plumeria: At least Town level, likely higher (Superior to Fisherman Vernon, who commands a Gyarados)
• Lana/Kiawe/Mallow/Olivia: At least Town level, likely higher

• Guzma: At least Town level, likely higher

• Lusamine: At least Small City level, likely City level (Very close to the wild Sharpedo on the Poni Breaker Coast)

• Merged Lusamine: At least City level (Stronger than before and stronger than the wild Sharpedo on the Poni Breaker Coast)

• Elite 4: At least City level, likely Mountain level

• Professor Kukui: Likely Mountain level (Superior to the Elite 4)

• Post Game Bosses/Title Defense Trainers: At least Mountain level

• Battle Tree Bosses: At least Mountain level, likely higher (Vastly superior to Abby, who commands a Tyranitar)

• Anabel, Cynthia, Wally and Grimsley: At least Small Island level (Stronger than before)

• Red and Blue: At least Small Island level, likely Island level (Stronger than before)

Speed discussion here

 

[RadicalMrR]

Given that the rating for Tyranitar is actually a low ball im fine with it.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Disagree with Island level. We should keep it as "At least Small Island level". Agrees with the rest though.

 

[RadicalMrR]

Wait Small Island=Large Mountain right?

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Yes.

 

[RadicalMrR]

Ok I thought just regular island was = Large Mountain.

So I also dont think it should go past Small Island for now at least.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Small Island is from 1 GT to 4 GT

So, passing from High 7-A to 6-C is pretty easy

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

i think i am ok with this

 

[PaChi2]

Small Island is from 1 GT to 4 GT

So, passing from High 7-A to 6-C is pretty easy

It isnt that easy to get 4 times stronger out of powerscaling. "At least small island level" its a safer lowball.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I think all Kanto Elite 4 Members should be "likely City level" since if they were only Town level, Red and Blue would've utterly foddorized them. Other then that, I mostly agree, though I think "At least Small Island level" would be a safer bet then Island level.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

"Utterly foddorized"

Nope, at all.

Except that you train like a Mother****** or use hax

Progressively stronger is what you become

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I guess I worded it poorly. Basically, I get that they aren't as strong as Lance, that much is clear since he's the one who becomes Champion, but they since they can put up a good fight against Red and Blue, they should still be within his league. Maybe "At least 7-C, possibly 7-B"?

 

[EnderShadowr215]

Well I will agree with the Gen 3 rating as I have played Pokemon Emerald quite extensively and still am as I still have the game with me along with a Gameboy. Good times anyway I not so sure about the rating beyond Gen 4 as I vaguely recall playing a Gen 4 game which I think it might be Platinum so I have limited knowledge mainly due to having issues with remembering things. I only know the basics when it come beyond Gen 4 stuff. However, I do remember that certain abilities was introduced in Gen 4 and beyond when they weren't shown in the previous Gens.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

I guess I worded it poorly. Basically, I get that they aren't as strong as Lance, that much is clear since he's the one who becomes Champion, but they since they can put up a good fight against Red and Blue, they should still be within his league. Maybe "At least 7-C, possibly 7-B"?

That's why I gave agatha the "likely Low 7-B"

The thing is that we don't even know the size of the cities that Dragonite/Gyarados can destroy (Also, there's a discussion about said feat)

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Also, the reason why give "At least Small Island, likely Island" is because

Think how strong does become Red is a couple of years (It just look like 2/3 for me) jumping from 7-B to High 7-A


Now, between BW and B2W2 two years passed, so imagine what can this do to a 7-A like Alder

 

[Utkar22]

btw it is Koga


And are there Game, or all media? In adventures manga, (spoilers) it took one gym leader and one pokedex holder to beat one elite four.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

btw it is Koga

And are there Game, or all media? In adventures manga, (spoilers) it took one gym leader and one pokedex holder to beat one elite four.

This is just for games, not manga. We do have manga and anime profiles too, though, if that's what you're asking.

 

[Gemmysaur]

This might help.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_the_Pokémon_world

Several pieces of content in the core series Pokémon games depend on the games having a timeline, but a complete timeline cannot be drawn from the games themselves. In May 2014, Game Freak employee Toshinobu Matsumiya posted a timeline of the core series Pokémon games on Twitter;[6] the tweet, however, has since been deleted. The plot of Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Red and Green are contemporaneous. They are then followed by the equally contemporaneous plot of Pokémon Gold and Silver and Pokémon Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum, which are set three years later. Pokémon Black and White are set an unspecified amount of time after those games. Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 are set two years after those games, and are contemporaneous with Pokémon X and Y. Pokémon Sun and Moon take place ten years after the events of Ruby and Sapphire.

 

[AidenBrooks999]

10 years since Red and Blue became champions?

Well, if 3 years passed between G/S and R/B, then Red passed from 7-B to High 7-A in 3 years

Imagine those 10 years....

Damn.

 

[Utkar22]

Koga is much different in all 3 media. In games, well..., in anime it took a novice like Ash to beat him, in manga, it took two strong trainers, Red and Blue to defeat him.

 

[Dark649]

The first at least Multi-City Block level comes from Pokémon Red, Green, Blue and Yellow while in Firered and Leafgreen the trainer in Brock gym uses Geodude instead of Diglett. The at least Small Town level, likely Town level comes from Pokémon Stadium Charizard description.