Plot vs Law

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

which power is more powerful ?

Plot Manipulation or Law Manipulation ?

 

[QuasiYuri]

I think Plot Manipulation can give Law Manipulation.

So Plot Manipulation.

 

[YungManzi]

depends

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

strongest versions of plot manipulation encompass law manipulation, so that

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

I think Plot Manipulation can give Law Manipulation.
So Plot Manipulation.

i don't think so

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Depends


Law manipulation can vary from making swearing impossible to making concepts imossible


Plot manipulation can vary from showing things to the player/watcher to drawing universes into existence

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

Plot manipulation is some kind of Reality Warping right?

 

[YungManzi]

^^It can be, not always though.

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

so if someone can transcended themselves to any kind of laws such as physic ,would it's count as Law Manipulation ?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

No, being beyond laws does not make you decide the laws

Accasuality does not give time manipulation, for exemple

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

No, being beyond laws does not make you decide the laws
Accasuality does not give time manipulation, for exemple

then what about transcend the law ?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Acausuality most of the time, possibly abstract exictence

 

[Chu_Minh_Duy]

Acausuality most of the time, possibly abstract exictence

that mean you can use Conceptual Manipulation ?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Yes, most of the time. It can be that you only have type 8 with a concept but cant manipulate it tho

 

[Ravenbird11]

wouldn't plot manipulation with authors Authority like featherine has be stronger than law manipulation, as it is a narrative version of omnipotence

 

[Akreious]

Depends on degree. Author level Plot Manip. is obviously superior but if it's anything less so, I could argue that if the law Manip. is on a meta level then you can literally make it law that your Plot Manipulation will never work, period.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

well, its plain omnipotence if its the narrators.

 

[Ravenbird11]

Depends on degree. Author level Plot Manip. is obviously superior but if it's anything less so, I could argue that if the law Manip. is on a meta level then you can literally make it law that your Plot Manipulation will never work, period.

it can go the other way too, with plot manip you can create a story where the concept of law manipulation doesn't exist.

and with author's authority you are above the law, making law manip useless. and you cant attack the narrator if the narrator never wrote that part in the story to begin with.

since this is a VS thread you have to take in consideration of all the variants of the two powers. and that makes it a stomp for plot manip because of authors Authority being a narrative version of omnipotence, and the strongest version of plot manipulation.

 

[Akreious]

Well Authors Authority basically makes someone tier High 1-A or 0 if they're really that high which would make most matches an auto-stomp. I doubt most characters have that tho.

 

[GokuvsNeptune25x]

Wait what does Plot Manipulation do?

 

[Ravenbird11]

Like featherine augustus aurora