plot manip is an NLF

[Robo432343]

character A has plot manip and is fighting character B who is a type 1 concept. However, Character A has no feats of interacting with type 1 concepts but does have information manip type 2
can character A interact with character B?

i accidentally put this in content revision

 

[Huesito88]

character A has plot manip and is fighting character B who is a type 1 concept. However, Character A has no feats of interacting with type 1 concepts but does have information manip type 2
can character A interact with character B?

i accidentally put this in content revision

Rip

 

[Maskofthedragon]

I agree, let's remove it
But my vote doesn't matter, listen to "staff", they have not been replaced by skinwalkers

 

[Huesito88]

I agree, let's remove it
Only my vote matters, don't listen to "staff", they are all been replaced by skinwalkers

Telling that to the experimental government Robot Ai (Robo4323) is not helping anyone

 

[Duedate8898]

Moved to Questions and Answers

 

[Wankbreaker]

I agree, let's remove it
Only my vote matters, don't listen to "staff", they are all been replaced by skinwalkers

very true. normal member supremacy

 

[Livinmeme]

She is affecting the metaphyisical narrative aspect, I understand than that may not work with Data type 2, but with plot manip? Plot and concepts work to differently, there is kinda no overlap

 

[Daoist_Pepe]

character A has plot manip and is fighting character B who is a type 1 concept. However, Character A has no feats of interacting with type 1 concepts but does have information manip type 2
can character A interact with character B?

i accidentally put this in content revision

There is no default order to metaphysical aspects, meaning that if we have no additional information from the fiction a power comes from, we can not decide whether or not the ability to manipulate one aspect would be able to influence, overcome or be affected by another. For example, per default plot manipulation would not be able to manipulate concepts, but concept erasure can't necessarily be used to erase the plot either. In a vs-debate a clash between such powers may have an indeterminate outcome, unless at least one of the fictions involved clarifies how the interaction between the metaphysical aspects works.

Metaphysical Aspects

The term Metaphysical Aspects refers to aspects of existence which are not part of the physical world, or spiritual aspects like mind or soul, but define or govern the world from the background. Examples include laws, causality, information, concepts, plot and also things our wiki does not list...

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[Livinmeme]

You know I was referring that Her (Arale) is attacking the meta narrative aspect of her (Swan), without touching her concept, right?

 

[Robo432343]

You know I was referring that Her (Arale) is attacking the meta narrative aspect of her (Swan), without touching her concept, right?

What
Why are you talking about arale and swans

 

[Livinmeme]

What
Why are you talking about arale and swans

Don't lie, we both know why you made this thread

 

[Nierre]

I agree, let's remove it
But my vote doesn't matter, listen to "staff", they have not been replaced by skinwalkers

"Last edited by a moderator: Yesterday at 23:09"

 

[Robo432343]

Don't lie, we both know why you made this thread

what no no
this question is not just for arale vs swan, its about plot manip in general

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I agree, let's remove it
But my vote doesn't matter, listen to "staff", they have not been replaced by skinwalkers

Replaced?

 

[Robo432343]

snip

ultima whats your opinion on this topic
can someone with plot manip use info manip type 2 to kill a type 1 conceptual being even with no feats of that

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Metaphysical Aspects

The term Metaphysical Aspects refers to aspects of existence which are not part of the physical world, or spiritual aspects like mind or soul, but define or govern the world from the background. Examples include laws, causality, information, concepts, plot and also things our wiki does not list...

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The answer is here.

Your hax plot cannot affect by default a type 1 conceptual or type 2 information being. Unless on the back of the guy who has a hax plot a hierarchy of fundamental aspects is established and the plot is > concept.

 

[Robo432343]

The answer is here.

Your hax plot cannot affect by default a type 1 conceptual or type 2 information being. Unless on the back of the guy who has a hax plot a hierarchy of fundamental aspects is established and the plot is > concept.

I’m talking about the person with the plot Manip using their information type 2 to interact with the type 1 conceptual being
Because people are making the argument that people with plot hax can interact with their information if they can’t touch concept

 

[Livinmeme]

Your hax plot cannot affect by default a type 1 conceptual or type 2 information being. Unless on the back of the guy who has a hax plot a hierarchy of fundamental aspects is established and the plot is > concept.

To be fair, Arale plot is archetypal because it comes from suprassing the literal writting

 

[Livinmeme]

The answer is here.

Your hax plot cannot affect by default a type 1 conceptual or type 2 information being. Unless on the back of the guy who has a hax plot a hierarchy of fundamental aspects is established and the plot is > concept.

They aren't touching the concepts btw, Her Abstract existence shouldn't protect her from a totally different metaphysical aspect

 

[Ss3micah]

I was summoned to answer this question so I will.

As established in the metaphysical aspects page itself. Concept, Info 2 and Plot are all by default equivalent to each other and none are by default greater than the other nor can interact with the other.

Plot Manipulation CANT allow you to interact with, affect nor manipulate concepts
And Concept Manipulation equally CANT allow you to interact with, affect nor manipulate the plot.

Even if there was feats such as: Plot Manipulation can interact with Information Type 2 or Plot Manipulation is superior to Information Type 2. That right there has NO bearings on Concept Manipulation and the same logic goes vice Versa for Concept Manipulation as well.

The only time the rule of default is broken is if either:
1. The Metaphysical Aspect Hax has feats or context in VERSE that deems it capable of interacting with or being superior to another Metaphysical Aspect Hax
2. The Metaphysical Aspect Hax being used operates on a higher dimensional Level than the opposing Metaphysical Aspect Being/Hax

Outside of that
The rule of thumb as been provided so do your best to follow it.