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Please Remove Reality-Fiction Interaction
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Wokistan
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He wrote the page, and usually gets around to revisions like these anyways. I'd like to know if a page I made was getting revised, whether or not I even agreed with the revisions.
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Thought he might want to comment here.Sera EX said:
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I know he wrote it, but he's going to see this thread anyway when he wakes up, and I refuse to have Pritti's well-constructed and rather polite argument immediately shot down because a few others mentioned Ant off handedly and triggered his paranoia.
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I actually helped write the page back in 2016. Let's not hate on Ant. This is a product of the 2016 wiki more than just him.
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To be fair, you were kinda the first one to allude to him with your own comments, and I don't think he's gonna shut down a thread just because Regis suggested telling him about it. This is derailment though, ant'll get to this at his leisure at this point since someone linked him the thread.
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So everyone agrees on this? If so, then who is going to rewrite the page?
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There is not a single notable work of fiction that treats reality interacting with fiction as having actual impact on reality.
There is not a single credible author that claimed they created a new universe in reality by writing a piece of fiction. These are claims without evidence.
I agree with Pritti that at least the top part of the page should be removed.
There is not a single credible author that claimed they created a new universe in reality by writing a piece of fiction. These are claims without evidence.
I agree with Pritti that at least the top part of the page should be removed.
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Sure no-one's preventing him from saying his piece, but do we want to get started on the rewrite before input from the author? It'd be a bit wasteful if we started rewriting parts which we'd later agree to keep.Sera EX said:
I was actually going to bring up the type 11 thing myself, since you should have been consulted before the page got changed.
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Agreed, the way it's written comes across as extremely condescending.
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Well, I didn't mean to come across as condescending, but it is often hard for me to know how people are going to interpret my writing style.
Anyway, we simply used to have quite a lot of instances of people inside and outside of the site claiming that any time there was an author avatar involved, it should automatically be tier 0 (Or -1... Yes, Polar-kun used to have that tier), regardless whether or not this made any sense, so from what I vaguely recall, I asked DarkLK for advice to help me write an instruction page to avoid this back when I was first starting to reorganise the site to what it is today.
I agree with DontTalkDT and Wokistan in any case. Rewriting the page to be interpreted as less condescending is fine, even if it was not intended that way, but we cannot assume that this will be self-evident to all visitors either.
Also, no, I have nothing against Sera. I was the one who suggested that she should be reinstated to the staff. I have also apologised repeatedly for that the Discord group members managed to trick all of the bureaucrats into thinking that there was something suspicious going on last year.
As for the omniverse term, the late Marvel editor Mark Gruenwald was the one who invented the term in the fanzine of the same name, and later imported it to Marvel when he worked there, and he genuinely defined it as all of fiction and reality combined, which was stated outright by the official Marvel handbooks that he originally created.
Given that we cannot automatically scale any characters related to the term, such as Roma and James Jaspers, to, for example, Featherine Augustus Aurora and Azathoth, it seems wisest to keep our restrictions for accepting it, but I agree that the page is old and of low quality, so improvements would be welcome.
Anyway, we simply used to have quite a lot of instances of people inside and outside of the site claiming that any time there was an author avatar involved, it should automatically be tier 0 (Or -1... Yes, Polar-kun used to have that tier), regardless whether or not this made any sense, so from what I vaguely recall, I asked DarkLK for advice to help me write an instruction page to avoid this back when I was first starting to reorganise the site to what it is today.
I agree with DontTalkDT and Wokistan in any case. Rewriting the page to be interpreted as less condescending is fine, even if it was not intended that way, but we cannot assume that this will be self-evident to all visitors either.
Also, no, I have nothing against Sera. I was the one who suggested that she should be reinstated to the staff. I have also apologised repeatedly for that the Discord group members managed to trick all of the bureaucrats into thinking that there was something suspicious going on last year.
As for the omniverse term, the late Marvel editor Mark Gruenwald was the one who invented the term in the fanzine of the same name, and later imported it to Marvel when he worked there, and he genuinely defined it as all of fiction and reality combined, which was stated outright by the official Marvel handbooks that he originally created.
Given that we cannot automatically scale any characters related to the term, such as Roma and James Jaspers, to, for example, Featherine Augustus Aurora and Azathoth, it seems wisest to keep our restrictions for accepting it, but I agree that the page is old and of low quality, so improvements would be welcome.
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While getting rid of the page is pushing, since while it is common sense yes, that doesn't stop certain people from going against it anyway. We know from experience. I agree 100% with the others that it needs to be reworded completely.
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I think that a better use for the Reality-Fiction Interaction page would be explaining when a reality-fiction difference can be considered analogue to a dimensional difference.
There are some cases, like Umineko, where it's legitimate. Meanwhile, there are cases like DC, where it's simply a way to look at a parallel universe
There are some cases, like Umineko, where it's legitimate. Meanwhile, there are cases like DC, where it's simply a way to look at a parallel universe
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Even if no one believes fiction can literally influence the real world, a decent amount of people still view "can affect the real world" type feats as being the pinnacle of what fictional characters can achieve.
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