pk starstorm

[Freddy_Thomas]

star level or large star level for mother 3 and earthbound

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

just to let everyone know before we start its not meteors its stars

 

[Dark649]

The size of the falling stars in Mother are far smaller than the real ones.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

For mother 3. Probably be small star or dwarf star but for EarthBound there's PK starstorm Omega which is better than the original and it's far bigger than the ones in mother 3

 

[Assaltwaffle]

The smallest stars are neutron stars, and they are 14km across. If you get much denser you just get a black hole.

Also they look nothing like stars and function nothing like stars. They are just magical constructs, similar to Terraria's Starfury.

 

[The_Wright_Way]

The stars are clearly not the size of real stars, not even dwarf stars. Therefore, they're clearly magical in nature and not comparable to actual stars.

So no, no star level Mother characters.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

The wright way and assaltwaffle they not magical in nature and smash bros dont count for measurements of the star plus in the game it said shaking the Stars on your opponent for major damage

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Major damage isn't obliterating the entire planet billions of times over. They don't function like stars whosoever. Even if they were neutron stars they would be larger than most cities. Also, the gravity of such stars would annihilate the planet it is near.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

Yeah but just remember that its a rpg most moves in rpg games can destroy planets or solar systems in real life but it dont most of time they dont show the move

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Stuff like Sephiroth's Supernova is completely difference since they have explained mechanics. Without more elaboration we can't accept something as Star Level because "it is called star storm" or "it says it drops stars". We need way more than that to justify such a massively high rating. Also, although Smash isn't canon, the moves all look like their counterparts from the games.

Why would PK Starstorm get rolled back insanely massively in scale and power while all the others stay pretty true. As a Final Smashthey could have absolutely giving it a star-dropping cinematic finish, similar to Shadow Mewtwo's Burst in Poken Tournament.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

That true i mean cloud final smash should do tons of damage see i think sakuri low everyone power down like rosalina would destroy most of characters even shulk or sonic they could have added Shadow Mewtwo as final smash but they didn't put it in there plus if smash was based on everybody's Cannon powers and abilities it would have been an entirely different game

 

[Assaltwaffle]

In-game power doesn't equal Smash appearance. King K. Rool obliterates an island in his Final Smash and that deals about the same damage as Snake's missiles.

Damage doesn't mean the depiction of the move is limited.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

King k rool final smash should not do same damage as snake missles just saying like who got the strongest final smash

 

[Assaltwaffle]

They do have comparable damage and kill power, though. But considering the difference between homing missiles and mountain busting, it shouldn't even be close.

But it is. Despite vastly different power appearances damage is even. So why scale back PK Starstorm if it was meant to be literal stars? Because they aren't literal stars.

Absolutely nothing indicates Mother 3 characters are calling down real stars, and everything present aside from a vague description indicate the opposite.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

Mother 3 is out now there only earthbound characters like poo and the starmen because earthbound the only game with starstorm omaga

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Your point being? If those characters haven't been shown or said to destroy stars that doesn't matter to whether or not Starstorm is using real stars. Also, doesn't Mother 3 depict them as those abstract Star shapes? That right there would lend even more to the idea that they aren't real stars.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

I mean thats mother 3 not earthbound gotta amit should more than a city destruction

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Only they're not real stars. So no.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

Whats your point

 

[The_Wright_Way]

They're not real stars so the characters aren't star level.

 

[Torlikoff]

Wouldn't it also be a massive outlier?

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

Need more proof and so what if they did not destroy a star that dont mean nothing

 

[Assaltwaffle]

It means we have zero evidence of them actually being Star level. The stars in PK Starstorm make most sense as magical constructs, not as real stars, it would be insanely inconsistent, and the stars in the animation even have the classic "star" shape, not the true star sphere shape.

You need more evidence to prove that they are stars.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

You make the claim that they're real stars, so you need to prove it.

Can't really say much that hasn't already been said.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree that Starstorm is not Tier 4.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

you denied it said drop stars on the enemy they don't show how big the star is like the nukeler robot never shows the explosion when it self-destruct if the creator of the game say shaking the star on the enemy then its stars you cant go against that it doesn't matter if he say its stars in the move description then its stars and remember its a snes game so they cant put lots of detail in the game plus they can survive a star storm

 

[Assaltwaffle]

A lot of stuff is called stars even though they aren't stars. The Sun is a star. Do you really think that PK Starstorm is dropping suns on the opponent?

The only thing indicating they are stars is the fact that it is called Starstorm and absolutely nothing points to them being full-sized stars.

Also, even if they are "real" stars in the context of Mother 3, they don't have the form, mass, nor functionality of real stars and thus cannot be treated like real stars. That's just the end of it. If we took moves at face value via their names we'd have Solar System Level Lord Boros, Universe level Android Saga Vegeta, and much more ridiculousness.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

I'm not saying it has to be the size of the sun some people say that it's solar raindrops from stars from the description of Earthbound saying that shakes the Stars but it's different in Mother 3 saying a dropstars on enemies in fact that the star explodes or solar raindrop when it hits the enemy shows more than a small City destruction in fact that earthbound the only game with PK starstorm Omega proves that it can be bigger solar raindrops or Stars plus the sun is huge in also the smaller the star the more powerful it is the larger stars are weaker

 

[Dark649]

Mother is actually getting downgraded, and this will not upgrade them.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Freddy

I think you're misunderstanding how large stars are. Even a very small star, say, a white dwarf, is larger than Earth. Brown Dwarves are larger than Jupiter. Low Mass stars are still larger than Brown Dwarves.

There are no stars that are small, and even the obscenely dense and borderline black hole Neutron Stars would greatly surpass even a large city in size.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, those are more like meteor showers than they are actual storms.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

I would just agree that they solar rain drop from stars not meteors since it said shaking the stars which is basically plasma

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

That still not calcable, let along indication of being remotely close to Tier 4.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

I mean yeah since its not whole star but I know its not not 7-b or lower

 

[Assaltwaffle]

What do you mean by solar rain drop? Nothing like that exists, unless you mean a material ejection or Gamma Ray Burst.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

like a solar flare on the sun that's what I mean by solar rain drops since they shaking stars

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Even a single solar flare would obliterate a country and devastate the planet.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

So they may not be star level but like you said a solar flare would destroy a planet

 

[The_Wright_Way]

And it's clearly not a solar flare. Because that planet's not gone.

 

[Freddy_Thomas]

The wright way there plenty of moves that would destroy the planet like in dbz and you see the planet still there and etc from other games and anime earthbound on earth if was in real life yes the planet would gone if the planet was gone in earthbound then the plot of the game would be pointles so you know where im goin from here so