Pious vs Diavolo

[Theglassman12]

Welp, might as well test the waters with this character. Speed is equalized, they’re tens of meters away from each other, Doppio Diavolo is used, and Ulyaoth Pious is used here.

Pious Augustus:

Diavolo:

Inconclusive: 8 (Armorchompy, Chariot190, Redgrave, Mister6ame6, DRW001, Cloozuma, Tony, Zencha)

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Diavolo fra

But seriously, this guy has nothing to tag Diavolo or to bypass King crimson ability while Diavolo just precogs him with Epitaph which means he will get knowledge from this guy without much trouble, IDK if his cosmic awareness gives him knowledge of stands and how they work (including KC and epitaph) but if they do he would know how ****** he is.

 

[Theglassman12]

He has passive madness hax that occurs by looking at him.

 

[Chariot190]

He has passive madness hax that occurs by looking at him.

If he starts as Doppio this would actually work out.

 

[Theglassman12]

What changes for him being Doppio?

 

[Chariot190]

What changes for him being Doppio?

Doppio would get madness haxed first and Diavolo would just go oh **** and avoid looking at him from that point on, as Diavolo is completely aware of his surroundings while locked away, but in a weird supernatural clairvoyant way (like how he knew Pol was spying on them despite Doppio not knowing and not even looking that way).

Doppio would basically just serve as a warning to Diavolo and he'd work around it, of course, at the cost of Doppio, but not like Diavolo hadn't tossed his ass under the bus before.

Basically, if he starts off as Doppio. Doppio takes the metaphorical bullet that lets Diavolo abuse his hax immediately without getting hit by his foe's hax.

 

[Theglassman12]

so if I leave it as Diavolo he gets ******, but if Doppio's there it's more balanced?

 

[Chariot190]

I guess probably?

 

[Theglassman12]

Alright, it’s changed

 

[Thelastmlg]

How dows the dude's invulnerability work, does he need to activate it?

 

[Bobepipipiri]

diavolo vvia skill and experience

 

[Theglassman12]

His invulnerability is passive, and from an essence of the Ancients, who are Low 2-C each.

 

[Thelastmlg]

So adding type 7, diavolo can't harm nor kill him? And he has limitless stamina so no tiring him out, So what's diavolo wincon?

 

[Theglassman12]

Idk, I wanna know if KC could end up beating Pious or not.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Maybe with selective intangibility but idk how in character it is, outside of it nothing goes past the invulnerability.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He has passive madness hax that occurs by looking at him.

That isn't in the profile?

 

[Theglassman12]

There is only one way to bypass the invulnerability, which is to attack the essence itself as it exists. But the main problem with it is if you get near the Essence you get corrupted to becoming an eternal slave to whatever ancient the essence is based off of

 

[Theglassman12]

@Tony_di_bugalu its from the magick abilities

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

He has passive madness hax that occurs by looking at him.

That isn't in the profile?

 

[Theglassman12]

I literally just told you.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Double post for some reason.

Anyways, it isn't there >:v

 

[Thelastmlg]

Again, does diavolo has any wincon that isn't negated by invulnerability, immortality and infinite stamina?

 

[Theglassman12]

@Chariot190 @Tony_di_bugalu can Diavolo get by any of these things?

 

[Chariot190]

Well, immortality isnt a issue, he may not die, but being torn to tiny shreds is effectively incap (And King Crimson has the AP to do that shit, he's like, 3 casual donuts in scaling).
His magick isnt quite that big an issue, Time Erase can be used to effectively delete over the usage of them.
The issue is invulnerability, Diavolo cant get around that without taking out the artifact itself. I'm assuming the fight takes place in the same place as it did in game?

 

[Theglassman12]

yeah it takes place in his lair.

 

[Chariot190]

Well, at that point, it's just a matter of if Diavolo can figure out how to take out the artifact or if he should. He has precognition so he'd know his attacks arent gonna do anything so he won't **** with that right away.
He has to take the artifact out quickly though, while Doppio gets haxed first, that only serves a warning, he can't avoid it forever. But at the same time, precog helps greatly in allowing him to deduce options and what to do.

So I guess it's just a matter if, how long does Diavolo take to figure out the weakness. If he does it quickly, he wins, if he doesn't, he'd get madness hax'd eventually.

 

[Theglassman12]

So is that an inconclusive vote?

 

[Thelastmlg]

There is only one way to bypass the invulnerability, which is to attack the essence itself as it exists. But the main problem with it is if you get near the Essence you get corrupted to becoming an eternal slave to whatever ancient the essence is based off of

Is the essence the artifact or what?

 

[Theglassman12]

It’s kind of an artifact if it had sentience and passive corruption that turns you into an eternal slave of the ancients

 

[Thelastmlg]

So how's diavolo supposed to get rid of it? What's the range for the corruption?

 

[Theglassman12]

Try to destroy it, and it's on contact of the artifact for the range for the corruption.

 

[Cloozuma]

Can't like Diavolo try to destroy the artifact then when he predicts the madness hax he just starts erasing time? Also he can spam it.

 

[Theglassman12]

That depends if he can get past the madness hax that occurs by literally looking at him. And the artifact literally corrupts you and can warp around places.

 

[Cloozuma]

That depends if he can get past the madness hax that occurs by literally looking at him. And the artifact literally corrupts you and can warp around places.

Madness hax can't affect Diavolo during erased time.

 

[Theglassman12]

Does erasing time nullify hax or does it just help him dodge the hax? If the latter, then Pious still can stare at him again if he wants to, or just summon more monsters with the same madness hax, making it much harder for him to dodge.

 

[Chariot190]

So how's diavolo supposed to get rid of it? What's the range for the corruption?

If memory serves from when I played this game like 15 years ago, uh, break it I think? Idk maybe just hit it really hard, maybe toss something at it.

Does erasing time nullify hax or does it just help him dodge the hax? If the latter, then Pious still can stare at him again if he wants to, or just summon more monsters with the same madness hax, making it much harder for him to dodge.

Erased time nullifies everything, both his, and his opponents attacks. Nothing happens in deleted time, it's why he can't attack anything, because even his own attacks cease to take effect. The only thing Diavolo can do in erased time is position himself, and use Epitaph. But that goes for his foe to, anything he does can't take effect.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I assume the artifact never affected anything like a stand, so diavolo only needs to erase time like, 2 times.

1 position himself and think of what he should do, 1 to leave pious behind and go for the artifact, then epithaph tells him to not touch it and he just uses king crimsom to break it

 

[Cloozuma]

Does erasing time nullify hax or does it just help him dodge the hax? If the latter, then Pious still can stare at him again if he wants to, or just summon more monsters with the same madness hax, making it much harder for him to dodge.

The former. All effects done to Diavolo will be erased, hence why Diavolo has Causality Manip.

Anyways Diavolo for TE and Incap.

 

[Armorchompy]

Shouldn't Pious have access to AOE spells?

 

[Cloozuma]

Shouldn't Pious have access to AOE spells?

Diavolo won't be affected by it anyway