Pink-Haired Ex Criminals Redux - Vi vs Poison 2.0 (1-0-5)

[Witchakorn]

But Vi winning is definitely quite possible.

It depend on who had more percent winrate chance right now.

Weapon : Vi (1 Point) (Equal speed let Vi win this)
Skill : Posion (1Point) should compareable to R.mika who took blow from balrog & fought him
Defence : Vi (1 piont) Posion isnt crazy like Vi in the fight at all (Cant Imagine Posion get hurt badly & still fighting like Vi)
Power : Vi (1 point) Vi had more power as the Melee fighter and her fantasy setting & Feat
Tactic : Posion (1 point) Posion should aim her Peekaboo boxing weakness

However Equal speed give peekaboo more advantage and whip become useless in the melee & Hard to attack or grab vi leg
Her Moltov cocktail would not work with Equal speed Vi .

Vi 3 - 2 (Pretty Closed)

 

[DivineAura44]

It depend on who had more percent winrate chance right now.

Weapon : Vi (1 Point) (Equal speed let Vi win this)
Skill : Posion (1Point) should compareable to R.mika who took blow from balrog & fought him
Defence : Vi (1 piont) Posion isnt crazy like Vi in the fight at all (Cant Imagine Posion get hurt badly & still fighting like Vi)
Power : Vi (1 point) Vi had more power as the Melee fighter and her fantasy setting & Feat
Tactic : Posion (1 point) Posion should aim her Peekaboo boxing weakness

However Equal speed give peekaboo more advantage and whip become useless in the melee & Hard to attack or grab vi leg
Her Moltov cocktail would not work with Equal speed Vi .

Vi 3 - 2 (Pretty Closed)

Thats not how it works. Context matters.

 

[Witchakorn]

Thats not how it works. Context matters.

So you said Posion win? if vi not win this?
Vi in Equal speed made her more advantage with her sty & weapon. (Whip cant fight in melee)

She was too strong for poision.
Vi can One Hit Poision.
If not equal speed yes posion maybe has a chance.

 

[SamanPatou]

So you said Posion win? if vi not win this?
Vi in Equal speed made her more advantage with her sty & weapon. (Whip can fight in melee)

Poison's style isn't just based on her whip, which until SFV used to be quite short.
Her mix of wrestling and acrobatics also works in close combat, so she's not totally defenseless in melee.

Vi can One Hit Poision.

Our standard for oneshots is a 7.5x difference.
Vi's going to hit hard, but not enough to win in a single hit.

 

[Witchakorn]

Poison's style isn't just based on her whip, which until SFV used to be quite short.
Her mix of wrestling and acrobatics also works in close combat, so she's not totally defenseless in melee.


Our standard for oneshots is a 7.5x difference.
Vi's going to hit hard, but not enough to win in a single hit.

Equal speed make posion disadvantage u know?

Her mix of wrestling and acrobatics also works in close combat

That not enough to fight vi at all. (boxing still more advantage than wrestling except she use low tackle to Vi lower body like MMA stuff)
She can jump around all she want but that not help her win this fight.
Vi would hit her at some point in equal speed.

 

[SamanPatou]

Equal speed make posion disadvantage u know?

How?

That not enough to fight vi at all. (boxing still more advantage than wrestling except she use low tackle to Vi lower body like MMA stuff)
She can jump around all she want but that not help her win this fight.
Vi would hit her at some point in equal speed.

Poison's style remains more acrobatic and striking based, rather than pure grappling, at least judging from gameplay and how she behaved in the FF games.
Jumping around does help indeed, dodging and keeping the distance to attack from afar is still really useful considering that her blows still do damage to Vi,
Vi could perfectly hit Poison, but she's not going to go down in just a handful of blows (unless they consistently hit sensible spots), for how hard they hit, and once she realizes how strong Vi is, she can try to devise a way around.

 

[Witchakorn]

How?

Poison's style remains more acrobatic and striking based, rather than pure grappling, at least judging from gameplay and how she behaved in the FF games.
Jumping around does help indeed, dodging and keeping the distance to attack from afar is still really useful considering that her blows still do damage to Vi,
Vi could perfectly hit Poison, but she's not going to go down in just a handful of blows (unless they consistently hit sensible spots), for how hard they hit, and once she realizes how strong Vi is, she can try to devise a way around.

She had her Clones in Final Fight too right? Many Posion appear in that game with no explaination
if that the case her clones would help her win by outnumber.
And you mean by doing jump around will let her win 100%? Vi can jump so high too even climbing to catch her.
Vi can hit while jumping too in arcance that not gonna be easy for posion.
Not only her can jump.

 

[SamanPatou]

She had her Clones in Final Fight too right? Many Posion appear in that game with no explaination
if that the case her clones would help her win by outnumber.

Clones are just the effect of game mechanics, FF's gameplay isn't meant to mirror the events 1:1.
There's just one single Poison, accompanied by her fellow thug Roxie.
The two never beat any of the heroes 1v1, but still proved to be a decent obstacle, as I said, Poison herself went toe to toe with expert fighters, and Cody still thinks of her as a worthy sparring partner.

And you mean by doing jump around will let her win 100%? Vi can jump so high too even climbing to catch her.
Vi can hit while jumping too in arcance that not gonna be easy for posion.
Not only her can jump.

Never said she'd win 100% of the times, in fact I think both have equal chances to win, which is why I voted incon.
Also, Poison's able to jump about 8 meters, and also swing around with her whip, Vi never reached such heights.

 

[Witchakorn]

Poison's able to jump about 8 meters, and also swing around with her whip, Vi never reached such heights.

Let said Posion used that kind of jump and defeat Balrog and Dudley logic?
Both cant hit Posion same as Vi (Boxing)
So you assume She beat them all with that kind of jump?
Vi Balrog & Dudley cant hit poision as result?
Balrog & Dudley would incon with posion too (They never meet)
but if somehow Balrog & Dudley can hit her that mean Vi would hit her too.
Vi had better Fighting acobatic movement than balrog & dudley and would able to adapt posion jump tactic
Barlog & Dudley just had far better boxing skill than VI but Vi still stronger than them plus equal speed.

Incon case should use with Non Equal speed match for posion to use her speed & distant.

Equal speed match allow VI to hit posion at some point as Posion cant jump forever in the fight.

Vi had more chance to win more than posion due to equal speed except posion just runaway from the fight as incon.

 

[SamanPatou]

Let said Posion used that kind of jump and defeat Balrog and Dudley logic? Both cant hit Posion same as Vi (Boxing) So you assume She beat them all with that kind of jump? Vi Balrog & Dudley cant hit poision as result? Balrog & Dudley would incon with posion too (They never meet) but if somehow Balrog & Dudley can hit her that mean Vi would hit her too. Vi had better Fighting acobatic movement than balrog & dudley and would able to adapt posion jump tactic

We can't compare Balrog and Dudley to Vi in this way.
The Street Fighter verse features many more super acrobatics characters, so the top fighters are all used and adapted to fighting them.
Balrog and Dudley can do airflips, roll upon touching the ground, do several aerial and jumping attacks and so on, they have their own set of acrobatics. Dudley can also fo crazy stuff such as his thunderbolt technique.

Incon case should use with Non Equal speed match for posion to use her speed & distant.
Equal speed match allow VI to hit posion at some point as Posion cant jump forever in the fight.

Speed equal means they are, in fact, equal, and have to judge their resources and chances carefully.
We also assume characters who achieve certain things through speed (whether they are movements, techniques, feats etc..) through high speed remain able to do them even if they get equalized to a lower value.
Both have equal chances to hit each other under the right conditions.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

We can't compare Balrog and Dudley to Vi in this way.
The Street Fighter verse features many more super acrobatics characters, so the top fighters are all used and adapted to fighting them.
Balrog and Dudley can do airflips, roll upon touching the ground, do several aerial and jumping attacks and so on, they have their own set of acrobatics. Dudley can also fo crazy stuff such as his thunderbolt technique.

I mean LoL has some pretty insane acrobatic feats...Arcana Vi just doesnt scale yet, though Vi has some good acrobatic stuff going by the fight with the Chemtanks

 

[Witchakorn]

Poison's able to jump about 8 meters, and also swing around with her whip, Vi never reached such heights.

This sentence alone prove that it not incon at all.
If Vi cant do anything like Balrog & dudley that mean Vi lose right?
If that still incon to you that mean Vi still can hit posion despite how Heights she can jump while Vi cant do it.
Vi should do something about it in Incon case somehow.
If Vi cant do anything about it that is not incon.

This match up need to clearly end right now.

You need to answer how Vi gonna deal with her high jump. (If she cant she lose)

 

[Witchakorn]

I mean LoL has some pretty insane acrobatic feats...Arcana Vi just doesnt scale yet, though Vi has some good acrobatic stuff going by the fight with the Chemtanks

Imagine Posion can fight the same way like jaynce and stomp chemtenk assasin with High heel & whip.
Imagine Posion in fight scence along side Vi back to back in arcance lol

 

[SamanPatou]

I mean LoL has some pretty insane acrobatic feats...Arcana Vi just doesnt scale yet, though Vi has some good acrobatic stuff going by the fight with the Chemtanks

My argument would be different if we were talking about standard LoL, it's just not the case in this match.

This sentence alone prove that it not incon at all. If Vi cant do anything like Balrog & dudley that mean Vi lose right? If that still incon to you that mean Vi still can hit posion despite how Heights she can jump while Vi cant do it. Vi should do something about it in Incon case somehow. If Vi cant do anything about it that is not incon.
You need to answer how Vi gonna deal with her high jump. (If she cant she lose)

I can see Vi getting the upper hand in a pure h2h confrontation due to her smarts and stats, Poison isn't going to constantly bunny hop all the time, and Vi's force field can come in handy to counter a diving attack and try a physical assault.
Vi could also try to predict the outcome of a jump, or force Poison to get closer etc... there are countless ways the battle can turn in favor of each other depending on how well they play they cards.

Incon doesn't necessarily mean the battle has to end in a stalemate, it can perfectly be assigned to a match were both opponents have equal chances to win.

 

[Witchakorn]

I can see Vi getting the upper hand in a pure h2h confrontation due to her smarts and stats, Poison isn't going to constantly bunny hop all the time, and Vi's force field can come in handy to counter a diving attack and try a physical assault.
Vi could also try to predict the outcome of a jump, or force Poison to get closer etc... there are countless ways the battle can turn in favor of each other depending on how well they play they cards.

Come on! Posion will stomp her High heel & whip Poke VI untill she Knock out or Die (Blood loss & Drain her energy)
Vi will smash Posion on the ground and ground & pound her untill she Knock out or die (Catch her & Brutaly Smash her face)

if you said that still incon.

 

[SamanPatou]

Both options are likely to happen, just like many other scenarios.
I just don't see one of them coming out more likely than the other, thus I consider their chances to win equal.

 

[Witchakorn]

Both options are likely to happen, just like many other scenarios.
I just don't see one of them coming out more likely than the other, thus I consider their chances to win equal.

It possible that would be not Incon due to skills of street fighter verse. (Skill Outplay & Equal Speed)
Zavika can destroy her one arm weapon so If Vi meet Dudley who Gill also respect him
Her weapons would be useless like when Balrog lose to Dudley (Power lose to skill)
SF5 Balrog became Dudley No.2 in his own sty (Improve) after He lose to dudley in SF4
And yet still cant punch Mika down in SF5 and Poision should can fight R.mika perfectly
She can fight Cody & abigail Rolento that mean Poision is One of the OG fighter.
She will out smart and intercept every move vi made (in Equal speed)
She can even Provoke Vi too. (Vi had Temper so easy)
Vi lack of experiend to scale in her verse (No skill fighter in Arcance yet)
Zavika rely on Boost and Blade cant compare to Dudley or SF5 Balrog
Poison can scale to r.mika who fight sf5 balrog that Improve.
Posion should had more chance to win due to her skill scaling
Vi lose to Dudley 100% even Equal speed like SF4 Balrog did
Vi & Balrog was Base from Mike tyson even personality
Balrog was change a lot after losing to dudley but still cant one punch R.mika
R.mika fight posion (posion should defeat R.mika while Balrog cant beat R.mika yet)
The weapon hextech & barrier stuff would be similar to hadouken & other power stuffs in the verse.
but Vi had Limit in Using those power if Posion can avoid them like those street fighters in her verse.
Posion would smile instead because she seen those kind of power before.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Vi lack of experiend to scale in her verse (No skill fighter in Arcance yet)

Uh...what? Vi has almost 20 years of combat experience, she has literally been fighting people for survival and to protect her sister since she was a child and she spent all of her time in prison training and fighting other inmates. Also, Vi isnt exactly super susceptible to provocation, Vander canonically trained her out of that mindset.

but Vi had Limit in Using those power if Posion can avoid them like those street fighters in her verse.

Vi doesnt have a limit in using her stuff though? And Hextech is definitely not like anything in street fighter, magic doesnt even exist let alone the absurdity of LoL's brand of magic.

 

[Witchakorn]

Uh...what? Vi has almost 20 years of combat experience, she has literally been fighting people for survival and to protect her sister since she was a child and she spent all of her time in prison training and fighting other inmates. Also, Vi isnt exactly super susceptible to provocation, Vander canonically trained her out of that mindset.

Vi doesnt have a limit in using her stuff though? And Hextech is definitely not like anything in street fighter, magic doesnt even exist let alone the absurdity of LoL's brand of magic.

You think arcane had many skill fighters like street fighter verse? 20 year isnt gonna help
Let Vander fight Balrog to find out. (Balrog had more skill & power)
SF5 Balrog train himself like dudley after he lose to him despite he had more power than dudley.
Magic dont exist yes but something similar to magic happen a lot in SF verse
the way vi use his power in arcance season 1 still not use often as she rely on her fighting skill & weapon
Only Fighter vi fight with is zavika and compare zavika skill to sf verse is too far.
as i told you before VI can only use overpower feat to win not skill.
SF had better skill scaling than arcance while arcance had boost and weapon tech.
Vi still get hit by zavika skill level but R mika can take blow from SF5 balrog & fight him.
Posion should can fight R mika in Wrestling setting.
that mean Poision should had skill like sf5 balrog that train like dudley from fighting r.mika.

Posion (Skill plus Equal speed) vs Vi (Power plus Equal speed)

it shouldnot be Incon as it should be the way to find the winner as possible.

Wiz & Boomstick death battle series would put Vi as winner due to her weapon & AP while Vs battle community still said Incon.

Or Wiz & Boomstick will Use skill scaling to let poison win.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Incon FRA.

 

[SamanPatou]

Her weapons would be useless like when Balrog lose to Dudley (Power lose to skill)

It always depends on context, in real life a professional boxer can still lose to an average human that is somehow 3 or more times stronger than them, we aren't debating Vi vs Dudley or Balrog here.

And yet still cant punch Mika down in SF5 and Poision should can fight R.mika perfectly

Mika did jackshit to Balrog, you can see how after their match he gets up laughing without a scratch, and the two girls only got out because of Ibuki's smoke bomb

The weapon hextech & barrier stuff would be similar to hadouken & other power stuffs in the verse.

Kinda, but it doesn't make them useless or less surprising

Uh...what? Vi has almost 20 years of combat experience, she has literally been fighting people for survival and to protect her sister since she was a child and she spent all of her time in prison training and fighting other inmates. Also, Vi isnt exactly super susceptible to provocation, Vander canonically trained her out of that mindset.

That's true

 

[Cimafranca133]

Incon FRA

 

[Witchakorn]

It always depends on context, in real life a professional boxer can still lose to an average human that is somehow 3 or more times stronger than them, we aren't debating Vi vs Dudley or Balrog here.


Mika did jackshit to Balrog, you can see how after their match he gets up laughing without a scratch, and the two girls only got out because of Ibuki's smoke bomb


Kinda, but it doesn't make them useless or less surprising


That's true

Without those skill scaling posion would lose. (You seem to agree with weekly)
that mean VI would win instead due to skill maybe on the same level but vi had more AP with equal speed

Listen! I not base on One side but after i listen to both of you and try to find out about it.
But both of you guys dont want your character to lose at all so it end with Incon instead

There is no way if those two characters meet & fight each other and go by Incon in real fight

Except Poison dont want to fight anymore as she care about find someone strong for the job.

she would interest in Vi too. just End up talking & walk away

If they need to fight for real there will be only one winner.

 

[SamanPatou]

Without those skill scaling posion would lose. (You seem to agree with weekly)
that mean VI would win instead due to skill maybe on the same level but vi had more AP with equal speed

I already brought up Poison's own skill feats, I don't see why she needs to be forcefully scaled to Mika, Balrog and Dudley for no reason, honestly.

But both of you guys dont want your character to lose at all so it end with Incon instead
There is no way if those two characters meet & fight each other and go by Incon in real fight
Except Poison dont want to fight anymore as she care about find someone strong for the job.
If they need to fight for real there will be only one winner.

There seems to be a misunderstanding here, incon doesn't mean the fight ends in a draw, incon means that both characters have near equal chances to win, or instead there's no real way to determine an outcome that is more likely than the other.

As I said before, of course one between Vi and Poison's going to win, I just don't think it's possible for me to say who's more likely to win more times than the other.

 

[Witchakorn]

I already brought up Poison's own skill feats, I don't see why she needs to be forcefully scaled to Mika, Balrog and Dudley for no reason, honestly.


There seems to be a misunderstanding here, incon doesn't mean the fight ends in a draw, incon means that both characters have near equal chances to win, or instead there's no real way to determine an outcome that is more likely than the other.

As I said before, of course one between Vi and Poison's going to win, I just don't think it's possible for me to say who's more likely to win more times than the other.

Just let more Peoples vote to find out (Imagine no Incon vote was allow)
I already Vote Vi from the start so i dont need to change my vote (I dont care if Vi lose)
Because If poision win due to skill scaling that still make sense to me.
but if Vi win i dont even surprise because she was better fighter and more poweful with her weapon.
Posion maybe more skill than Vi but it still possible that Vi can win somehow due to AP

You mention Cody & rorento right? Yes? Cody & Rorento can fight dudley right? so it count.

 

[SamanPatou]

Just let more Peoples vote to find out (Imagine no Incon vote was allow)

I never prevented anyone from voting as far as I remember, and incon votes are totally allowed.

I already Vote Vi from the start so i dont need to change my vote (I dont care if Vi lose)

You are totally free to vote Vi, I never said the opposite.

You mention Cody & rorento right? Yes? Cody & Rorento can fight dudley right? so it count.

Cody and Rolento can surely fight Dudley, since they are in the same AP ballpark and possess their own skills and tools, but a in-canon battle never occurred.

 

[Stillwinston]

Incon FRA, maybe Vi gets a job as a pro wrestler now lol

 

[Witchakorn]

Incon FRA, maybe Vi gets a job as a pro wrestler now lol

Vi & Jinx just become part Posion rock band music in SF4 Ending like Ryu & Ken (Non Canon anyway)

 

[Witchakorn]

Cody and Rolento can surely fight Dudley, since they are in the same AP ballpark and possess their own skills and tools, but a in-canon battle never occurred.

The point is If Cody & Rolento sty were on the same level as Dudley boxing sty that mean Poison would outplay vi like dudley right?
except posion never fight a boxer character before but Cody street fighting with Tornado power and Commando with Grenade would be enough to scale from right? I dont sure how Vi boxing gonna deal with Cody & Rolento skill.

I wonder did VI had more AP than Cody too right? if she is so will she Incon with Cody too?
Vi gonna Incon with Cody Rolento Dudley?

It possible that VI can beat Only Balrog but again his Boxing skill should be better than Vi despite Vi had better weapon

Weekly point out that Vi had 20 year train street boxing with Vander (20 year training logic)
I dont sure how many year Balrog train but should be less than her (still One Punch Elephant to dead)

Vi without weapon cant fight balrog or even kill elephant in one punch despite her 20 year training.

Vander cant fight balrog too (Skill was too far)

SF5 Dudley was Improve to use Dudley persona too in his own sty.

Backagain to Cody.....Cody should can defeat Balrog if they really fight.

Posion Fight Cody again in sf5 story mode.

 

[DivineAura44]

There is no hiding from Witchakorn. He is in your walls.

 

[SamanPatou]

The point is If Cody & Rolento sty were on the same level as Dudley boxing sty that mean Poison would outplay vi like dudley right?

Cody and Rolento aren't exactly boxers, although Cody might have some knowledge due to using a mixed style and Rolento having military training, but they would still match Dudley in combat using their own skills, but not purely boxing.

I wonder did VI had more AP than Cody too right? if she is so will she Incon with Cody too?
Vi gonna Incon with Cody Rolento Dudley?

I should think better to the match up, but maybe.

I dont sure how many year Balrog train but should be less than her (still One Punch Elephant to dead)

Balrog also did street boxing since he was a kid and he basically taught himself until he became an actual champion, then the rest is SF history.
Still, I don't see why do we need to bring him in the equation.

 

[Witchakorn]

There is no hiding from Witchakorn. He is in your walls.

Omg! I love that!!! (Thank You)

I think this should consider help this match up result to compare


I think MMA fighters should not know what posion doing.
Posion consider to be superhuman whip user that no one should fight like posion in real life except using a whip part.



This is Equal speed fight so this kind of tricky that Can Vi Boxing go in Melee while Posion use her whip like a whip master
She can use her whip to suplex people (Impossible in real life)

Posion can create distance everytime when Vi try to melee her. (Poke & suplex her a lot)

Her arsenal with Cocktail Moltov to keep Burning vi and destroy vi distance with fire wall on the ground too

 

[IxaSaga2]

Both have solid win cons imo

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Reposting for clarity's sake

 

[Witchakorn]

Both have solid win cons imo

They must be a way to find a true winner
Use incon look too lazy

Poison can whip Poke & Suplex & Firewall with cocktail (Equal Speed)
Vi can Use a Heavy Hit combine with her weapon in melee (Equal speed)

Well...I already vote Vi anyway (I dont mind if Vi lose at all)

Instead of vote incon just Vote someone pls.

 

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