Phantamium Downgrade

[SinsofMan]

For one, his justification creating an infinite space is not how we rate 3-A/High 3-A, otherwise the gems would be this level.

Two, it was a previous story/draft that isn't in TOG and it would be the equal of using Luffy from Romance Dawn 1 and 2 as his justification for his stats.

Three, we haven't seen him replicate this feat so it is a blantant outlier.

Four, it messes up scaling. If an Opera really was 3-A, then Urek should be 3-A as well because he stated he could break out of it in a millisecond, which is ridicilous and makes no sense; see point 1 and 3.

It should be removed until we get more information regarding this.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I agree with the downgrade, but in that case we should use the High End 5-B+ calc that Jobbo did for the Phantaminum destroying the whole Tower via hax to replace Phanta's 3-A/High 3-A AP

 

[SinsofMan]

I agree with the downgrade, but in that case we should use the High End 5-B+ calc that Jobbo did for the Phantaminum destroying the whole Tower via hax to replace Phanta's 3-A/High 3-A AP

Link to the calc so I can look at it?

 

[Litentric_Teon]

I don't really mind a downgrade. I'm indifferent since we haven't seen the guy.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jobbo/Phantaminum_AP_lowball

 

[SinsofMan]

Well for one the calc wasn't accepted.

Two..this method is weird.

I am not approving or disapproving, but if someone else more experienced is fine with it, I guess I am too.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Well, in that case we should put a far higher via hax

 

[RegisNex1232]

I'm in agreement as well.

 

[SinsofMan]

Since we all agree and because I don't wanna use that calc (cuz don't know the method.)

I do think since he is so above the verse and using the language, I think personally scaling him to baseline Mult-Continent level is fine.

How does this look?

At least Multi-Continent Level (The strongest in the Tower, beyond 100 % Urek, Jahad and Enyru.) likely Far Higher with Reality Warping (Has been stated to destroy the entire tower multiple times.)

There is probably more we can add, but I don't feel comfortable changing the profiles myself

Anyone wanna volunteer?

 

[RegisNex1232]

I can change it if people agree.

 

[SinsofMan]

I can change it if people agree.

Fine by me.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Only Multi-Continent level is already good, and the "at least" is not necessary because Phanta is not much above the baseline High 6-A, and also does not need the explanation of it being stronger than Urek 100% and Zahard, only justifying with Phata being stronger than Enryu is enough already, due to the fact that Enryu is much stronger than Zahard and Urek, but otherwise I agree with the new proposal

 

[RegisNex1232]

Done.

 

[SinsofMan]

Ah ****, I forgot about the speed.

Unfortunately, that will have to go too.

What is the highest speed we scale too for top tiers?

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

What is the highest speed we scale too for top tiers?

Relativistic or 35.55% the speed of light:

Here

 

[SinsofMan]

Changed that too, everything should be fine now.