Persona General Revisions Part 1: Tiers and General Statistics

[Antvasima]

Basically, I strongly advocate making a consistent effort to maintain a friendly and respectful atmosphere here, but despite working extremely hard to be of help to the community, I also occasionally make serious mistakes. There are limits to how much that can be demanded of us.

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh my god are we seriously continuing with the Eficiente situation.....

Drop it

 

[Ultima_Reality]

is actually proven by Yaldabaoth merging Mementos (a Low 2-C structure) with the universe, as to which Mementos is a Palace. Since Palace’s are reflections of the real world, it should also go to show that it’ll extend past the observable universe. It isn’t the first time Cognition has created entirely new space-times, as Maki created another world via her own will, and Maruki created a new one based on the desires of the Phantom Thieves, etc.

Hm. Sounds fair enough, I suppose it'd be strange if we assumed their view of the world just didn't acknowledge space and time for some reason.

It's because all of existence depends on the existence of the CU. The destruction of the CU would mean the destruction of the concepts that make up the physical world, since the physical world became a subset of the CU the moment the CU was formed. The destruction of the CU being synonymous with the destruction of the physical world is also outright stated by Virochana in a scan I posted earlier in this thread. Gimme a sec to find it.

That just seems to be Virochana explaining the concept of Brahman, though. The whole game being reduced to nothingness if you refuse to acknowledge the Self as existent seems like an interesting point, but can you explain how this relates to the aforementioned statement about the Collective Unconscious? I am not exactly very knowledgeable on Persona.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Hm. Sounds fair enough, I suppose it'd be strange if we assumed their view of the world just didn't acknowledge space and time for some reason.


That just seems to be Virochana explaining the concept of Brahman, though. The whole game being reduced to nothingness if you refuse to acknowledge the Self as existent seems like an interesting point, but can you explain how this relates to the aforementioned statement about the Collective Unconscious? I am not exactly very knowledgeable on Persona.

Let me try to explain.

The Collective Unconscious is the source of everything, retroactively existing before anything, even before sentient life, despite being created by human minds. There are countless physical worlds, as there are countless mental worlds. This is elaborated by Maruki saying everyone has a cognitive world, with no exception. Yusuke confirms this. The CU holds these countless mental worlds, as said by Maki.

So, there’s two reasons why we say Umr is 2-B:

Umr passively sustains all of these countless physical AND mental realities, without fail, casually.

Why we say this leads to the destruction of everything, as due to Atman (soul). The human soul is credited to the power to created and warp reality. Philemon says this power also created the CU. Another interpretation of the scan. Morgana also says the world is made of cognition. The word “thy heart” is constantly used to refer to their individual universal consciousness, such as Lucifer. So, when Zula says will lose all “human knowledge”, and “lose their individual consciousness”, that refers the CU itself, and every reality, physical and cognitive. Since the CU is the collective of all consciousness, every individual destruction would lead to its destruction entirely which is already proven to exist in the CU.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Got the okay on 2-B & Scaling from Ultima.

Can this please be accepted now?

 

[Zencha9]

broken link

 

[Everything12]

You do know no one else can actually see these discord images your linking

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Thanks for telling me, actually.

I’ll get Ultima himself.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Everything seems to be in order to me, yeah. I basically already accepted Low 2-C Palaces anyway, so the Collective Unconscious being 2-B seems to naturally follow from that.

 

[00potato]

Wait, is it over?
Damn, that was wild even for a CRT. Why can’t mine be this crazy?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Wild=/=Fun.

Now Part 2, once Ant gives us the ok once he accepted.

 

[00potato]

Also speaking of that please give the ok for the epithet erased crt, Its literally just me and Agnaa with one ok from Wright, for what is shaping up to be a verse-wide rewrite.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I suppose this is concluded with Ultima's approval?

 

[Zencha9]

seems like it

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I would prefer another comment from @Dargoo_Faust first, in order to make certain. Is it fine if we wait a bit on him first?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Well, you’re the boss, can’t really disagree if you want more input, like Sol said this is really just semantics & interpretation instead of arguing logic.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't feel or behave like a boss. I am almost exclusively doing maintenance, organisation, and mediation work, and constantly trying to help out the members here in different ways.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, I will send a message to Dargoo, to ask him to help out a bit here.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don't feel or behave like a boss. I am almost exclusively doing maintenance, organisation, and mediation work, and trying to help out the members here in different ways.

Meant in the sense of a moderator, so your input is the end all be all.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Noted, but I am too busy to be able to evaluate complicated issues well, so I usually rely on the other staff members for that, unless it is something straightforward or that I know reasonably much about.

As I keep telling people, I am not a debater. I mainly do continuous maintenance work, which is also very crucial for the community to function properly. The people who get mad at me for that miss the point that it is just as pointless to get mad at an accountant for not being a doctor and vice versa.

Just musing in general mind you, so do not take this as directed at you.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Ok.

 

[Schnee_One]

It...Is it over?

It’s really over?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

It...Is it over?

It’s really over?

No, we need one more response from Dargoo.

 

[00potato]

Isn’t Dargoo taking at least a long break from here?
So we got a long wait, again.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Who knows. I just want this over with. I’m so tired.

 

[Antvasima]

I sent a private message to Dargoo earlier today, but if he is taking a break from the forum, I suppose that what has been agreed here can probably be applied.

 

[00potato]

I mean it says when you were last seen when you click on someone’s icon.
So Dargoo was last seen an hour ago, so perhaps he isn’t taking a break and who ever said that was mistaken (or talking about dragon.)

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Maybe we can wait another day then.

@Dargoo_Faust are you there?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Can we please add this by tomorrow? This has been going on for 2 months.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes you can, unless Dargoo wants to talk a bit more about it.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Dargoo’s latest post says he’ll be relatively inactive till late December. That’s the post he made an hour ago.

Can we add this already then?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine then, yes.

 

[Antvasima]

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[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

This can be closed, shows over.

 

[Schnee_One]

BERLIOZ!