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It being his Ultimate Persona is irrelevant because unlike the other protagonists' Ultimate Personas Messiah isn't connected to his end game power up at all. You can get it before the Nyx fight and before getting the Universe Arcana, which isn't the case with Izanagi-no-Okami or Satanael without NG+. Fact is that unlike Yu, who needs Izanagi-no-Okami to beat Izanami or Ren , who needs Satanael to beat Yaldabaoth, Messiah isn't needed to seal Nyx and isn't connected to the plot of persona 3 in anyway.Sera EX said:It's his Ultimate Persona, of course it scales. It's even under The World in Persona Q rather than Judgment as it is in P3 and P5. We don't know much about The Universe but it's basically the equivalent of the World and I explained all protagonist's Ultimate Personas are tied to The World arcana in some way. Just watch, in PQ2 Satanael will be The World instead of The Fool.
To be fair, every girl in P5 other than Makoto is pretty bad.Thiag125 said:lol P4 best girl with P5 worst girl.
ufuckingwotm8Darkanine said:To be fair, every girl in P5 other than Makoto is pretty bad.
Me too man, me tooEdwellken said:https://youtu.be/67xaZRZZ568
I'm speechless
Unfortunately it's only half-true. There isn't a scenario in existence that allows Ren to actually beat GER due to the latter's passive causality manip that prevents its user from dying, but it can be argued that Ren could get protection from Giorno's attacks as well via his high resistance/absorption/reflection of phys attacks w/ the omni orb/certain personas.Jasonsith said:Recently there is a rising popularity of Ren Amamiya vs Giorno Giovanna as versus debates (esp. possibility as a Death Battle) and as the debate goes there are arguments that Joker can actually defeat Giorno despite MSS vs Universal AP. I want to know from some knowledgeable Persona fans if that is true.
well really, Ren is low multi and blitzes the shit out of giorno before GER ever becomes a factor and he just brute forces it via being 4D vs 3DLukaSolosYourVerse said:Unfortunately it's only half-true. There isn't a scenario in existence that allows Ren to actually beat GER due to the latter's passive causality manip that prevents its user from dying, but it can be argued that Ren could get protection from Giorno's attacks as well via his high resistance/absorption/reflection of phys attacks w/ the omni orb/certain personas.Jasonsith said:Recently there is a rising popularity of Ren Amamiya vs Giorno Giovanna as versus debates (esp. possibility as a Death Battle) and as the debate goes there are arguments that Joker can actually defeat Giorno despite MSS vs Universal AP. I want to know from some knowledgeable Persona fans if that is true.
Basically, inconclusive can be argued but Ren winning is pretty much impossible.
I will link my thread here in hopes that someone notices itLukaSolosYourVerse said:Since I am an attention ***** I will link my thread here in hopes that someone notices it
https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2609358