Parasyte - Small Upgrade

[Vizmer]

Introduction == Upgrade of Running Speed for Shinichi.

Changes: At least Peak Human movement -----> At least Superhuman movement (Can run faster than a car).

Reasoning: He ran faster than a car. According to Toyota Rent a car, "The legal speed limit is 60 km per hour on general roads and 100 km per hour on expressways." It is also accepted by the wiki in common feats:
Japan has two fixed speed limits:

• 100 km/h (27.7777 m/s) for divided national highways
• and 60 km/h (16.6666 m/s) for all other roads, unless otherwise posted.

Evidence:


Agree: @MasqueTLDF @Popbum @Jeeeeepil123 @Ebihara @Chariot190 @Dalesean027 @57Dev @Youngwolf-0.1 @Mr. Bambu @DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral:
Disagree: @Tllmbrg@thedaymare

 

[Vizmer]

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[MasqueTLDF]

Looks alright

 

[Vizmer]

Looks alright

Perfect! Thank you for the feedback fr!

 

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[Tllmbrg]

1. You should cite what chapter this is from.
2. We have no way to know if the car was going full speed, so I'd rather just go with the definitive speed feat rather than this.

 

[Vizmer]

1. You should cite what chapter this is from.
2. We have no way to know if the car was going full speed, so I'd rather just go with the definitive speed feat rather than this.

1. it is from chapter 15
2. In the same chapter Migi states how he was able to Jump and Run faster than a normal human, which is later followed by him preforming the feat. Later on he said that he could have easily ran the 100 meter dash in 9 seconds. He states himself that he become superior to normal human. Gotou states that he is fast for a human, Gotou is the parasyte who can easily run as fast as a car going at 60 mph. Even Shinichi at the end of the series states that he can run faster than any human.


As for the not having a definite speed of the car we can get the average speed of a car based on data collected. For instance, according to xmap, Japan - Road Traffic Data, the middle value based on the data collect is; it is in MPH btw

Motorways; Freeways; Major Roads	61.6
Major Roads less important than Motorways	36.8
Other Major Roads	33.6
Secondary Roads	30.4
Local Connecting Roads	24.4
Local Roads of High Importance	16.2
Local Roads	13.6

Additionally, Shinichi in Izu, Japan (Parasyte Chapter 13, Page 1). According to momondo, a car rental site, "The speed limit in Izu is 40 mph, unless otherwise stated on road signs. Izu also has a suburban speed limit of 50 mph which is strictly enforced. If you find yourself on a highway in Izu, be aware that the speed limit is generally 75 mph."

Car Rentals in Izu. Search for Rental Cars on momondo

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So the driver shown in the Manga most likely would have been driving slightly faster given that the average driver hovers slightly over the speed limit in Japan.
Thus, 40mph low end, 50 mph mid end, or 75 mph high end.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Even Shinichi at the end of the series states that he can run faster than any human

He gets stabbed right after by someone who as far as we know is a regular human physically, why are you using that as evidence?
Also, I'd argue over half of your evidence doesn't even work. Shinichi said he didn't even notice being faster than a regular human, which would be weird if he moved at superhuman speeds.
Your anime clip meanwhile looks like he didn't even properly outspeed the car, he just looked weird to the driver because he was straight-up running on the road.

If other staff think this is a legit feat, sure, but as far as I'm concerned this is at best a "possibly"

 

[Vizmer]

He gets stabbed right after by someone who as far as we know is a regular human physically,

You can clearly see that Shinichi did not care about him, his main goal was to save Satomi; he was not even looking at him.

why are you using that as evidence?

What does running faster than any human imply? that is right that you could move at superhuman speeds.

Your anime clip meanwhile looks like he didn't even properly outspeed the car, he just looked weird to the driver because he was straight-up running on the road.

This does not address anything, you simply just said that he look at him weirdly because of how he was running on the road? Are you forgetting that he was running faster than the car before the transition? Did you not see him clearly running faster than a car??

Car clearly being ahead of Shinichi of a speed at least being 40mph or higher due to the explanation above.
Shinichi begins to Run
Shinichi catches up to the car, they are side by side btw
Shinichi goes past the car
Shinichi goes past the car even further
He even disappears from the frame

Definition of outsped: : "to outdo or surpass in speeding : to go faster than"

Shinichi's feat fits the definition of outsped, since it is pretty obvious that he ran faster than the car.

Also, I'd argue over half of your evidence doesn't even work.

Explain as to why that is the case.

Shinichi said he didn't even notice being faster than a regular human, which would be weird if he moved at superhuman speeds.

Him not noticing being faster than a regular human does not negate his feats.

 

[Bernkastelll]

1. You should cite what chapter this is from.
2. We have no way to know if the car was going full speed, so I'd rather just go with the definitive speed feat rather than this.

I doubt they would have shown him outrunning a car if the car was going slow, because the purpose of the scene was to shown that he's a superhuman

 

[Vizmer]

I doubt they would have shown him outrunning a car if the car was going slow, because the purpose of the scene was to shown that he's a superhuman

Yeah

 

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[Popbum]

Agree FRA

 

[Jepilstiltskin]

Looks fine.

 

[Vizmer]

Agree FRA

counted

 

[Vizmer]

Looks fine.

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[Ezaru]

The car in the anime clip looks like it's going very slow

The guy in the top left of the manga panel seems to not think he is running like, crazy fast and it seems to be like,

A rural residential neighborhood which may have slower speeds

 

[Vizmer]

The car in the anime clip looks like it's going very slow

I already addressed this there is not point on me repeating myself.

The guy in the top left of the manga panel seems to not think he is running like, crazy fast and it seems to be like,

Why would an old who is gardening his plants even care about him running fast? In fact, he just began running, and the 4 panels on that page take place inside the hotel, so he would have no way of accurately noticing his speed because he was distracted and Shinichi just began running. I already provided other statements regarding his speed.

A rural residential neighborhood which may have slower speeds

I already addressed the speeds.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

He gets stabbed right after by someone who as far as we know is a regular human physically, why are you using that as evidence?

Idk if it counts but in the anime his goal was really to block the knife rather than dodge it to save the girl.
since he plans to use the arm that he will block with to knock the enemy while the other arm reaches for the girl

if he dodged it his body position wouldn't be in the state where he could reach out to the girl and if he dodged it forward without blocking he wouldn't be able to knock out the guy when he finally reached out to the girl

it is more so an issue of having a small reach and flexibility to achieve both things. Hence, he resolved to just block it with his and knock him out at the same time rather than dodging it and reaching for the woman who was thrown off a building (I can probably explain this more in detail but lets just say if you're getting stabbed in the face from the right if you dodge forward your arms reach won't be enough and sometimes will only barely reach the face of the assailant [he aims to completely knock him out where in body blow might not work]. If you dodge backward you won't reach the falling girl. but if you block with your arm it will be in the position to stretch out after blocking with your arm to knock someone in the face)

furthermore, we also have to consider that he has to sprint up to gain speed so at peak he can still move at superhuman speed

Shinichi said he didn't even notice being faster than a regular human, which would be weird if he moved at superhuman speeds.

this is not due to him being unfamiliar but he was in the state of being in the zone and adrenaline to save someone he just did everything instinctively without realizing he had gone superhuman. its also harder for him to realize because his perception speed was also amped in this state while fighting

 

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[Ebihara]

Makes sense to me, i see no reason to believe the car isn't going at a reasonable speed and feel if you believe otherwise that would need to be proven here. to me its clearly portraying him running faster then a car.

 

[thedaymare]

Introduction == Upgrade of Running Speed for Shinichi.

Changes: At least Peak Human movement -----> At least Superhuman movement (Can run faster than a car).

Reasoning: He ran faster than a car. According to Toyota Rent a car, "The legal speed limit is 60 km per hour on general roads and 100 km per hour on expressways." It is also accepted by the wiki in common feats:
Japan has two fixed speed limits:

• 100 km/h (27.7777 m/s) for divided national highways
• and 60 km/h (16.6666 m/s) for all other roads, unless otherwise posted.

Evidence:


Agree: @MasqueTLDF @Popbum @Jeeeeepil123
Neutral:
Disagree: @Tllmbrg

Disagree, no evidence the car was going at full speed limit, also no evidence car is on highway, could be a normal street, car could be running at 20 mph. A lot is left to assumptions.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Couldn't you use the wheel rotations/anime's timeframe to find out the speed of the car in the anime version? I'm sure there's a formula somewhere that has revolution/minute for car wheels.

 

[Vizmer]

Disagree, no evidence the car was going at full speed limit, also no evidence car is on highway, could be a normal street, car could be running at 20 mph. A lot is left to assumptions.

I already addressed this, and if you want to claim that the car is going slower that 40 mph you will have to prove that.

 

[Vizmer]

Couldn't you use the wheel rotations/anime's timeframe to find out the speed of the car in the anime version? I'm sure there's a formula somewhere that has revolution/minute for car wheels.

I could do that maybe, but this should not be this hard. Since the location where shinichi is at, has a speed limit of at 40mph unless stated otherwise. Also there are multiple statements that corroborate Shinichi's speed.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

I could do that maybe, but this should not be this hard. Since the location where shinichi is at, has a speed limit of at 40mph unless stated otherwise. Also there are multiple statements that corroborate Shinichi's speed.

I mean, if everyone else disagrees with the other method, then this one shouldn't cause any problems since there's close to no room for error.

 

[Vizmer]

I mean, if everyone else disagrees with the other method, then this one shouldn't cause any problems since there's close to no room for error.

I see yeah we will see how things play out.

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah no this shit is super blatant. The fact he's flatout stated to exceed any human (keyword there, it isn't quicker than average, but ANY), already makes him superhuman, the fact he easily outpaces a car, even if it is't max speed, is still gonna be superhuman given how easily he overtook it (he's at least 2-3x quicker) and while roads have a max speed limit, they also have a minimum, you can't just go slow af for fun. But that's not really relevant because it actually is going pretty standard speed for urban areas.

This is obvious, the fact it's in a chapter that focuses on how he's exceeding human limits makes the intent clear too.

 

[Vizmer]

Yeah no this shit is super blatant. The fact he's flatout stated to exceed any human (keyword there, it isn't quicker than average, but ANY), already makes him superhuman, the fact he easily outpaces a car, even if it is't max speed, is still gonna be superhuman given how easily he overtook it (he's at least 2-3x quicker) and while roads have a max speed limit, they also have a minimum, you can't just go slow af for fun. But that's not really relevant because it actually is going pretty standard speed for urban areas.

This is obvious, the fact it's in a chapter that focuses on how he's exceeding human limits makes the intent clear too.

as for the minimum speed of car in Japan, I also provide how fast the average driver goes, and often they go around the speed limit or slightly higher.

 

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[TheGreatJedi13]

As someone who is often in the road and in the street
ain't no way that car is moving 40mph just saying
maybe 40kph but def not 40mph

 

[Vizmer]

As someone who is often in the road and in the street
ain't no way that car is moving 40mph just saying
maybe 40kph but def not 40mph

well that is the speed from momondo:

What is the speed limit in Izu, Japan?​

The speed limit in Izu is 40 mph, unless otherwise stated on road signs. Izu also has a suburban speed limit of 50 mph which is strictly enforced. If you find yourself on a highway in Izu, be aware that the speed limit is generally 75 mph.

 

[Chariot190]

As someone who is often in the road and in the street
ain't no way that car is moving 40mph just saying
maybe 40kph but def not 40mph

Being 3x quicker than 40kmph is still superhuman dude. It could be 20kmph, it's still superhuman. It really doesn't matter because it's superhuman no matter what.

Also wouldn't take the anime over the manga that came out like 20y prior. The intent in the manga is obviously just "he runs quicker than a car" in scenes stating he's surpassed human limits.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Being 3x quicker than 40kmph is still superhuman dude. It could be 20kmph, it's still superhuman. It really doesn't matter because it's superhuman no matter what.

Superhuman with correct statistics is better than Superhuman with incorrect statistics.
I'm just saying ain't no way that car is 40mph and somehow his value scales to such a degree
I already shared my opinion on how he is already superhuman but 40mph is pushing it, especially on a street near a bay which would fall more under a general road than an expressway

 

[Chariot190]

Superhuman with correct statistics is better than Superhuman with incorrect statistics.

Sure, but if that's the value, that's the value either way.

I'm just saying ain't no way that car is 40mph and somehow his value scales to such a degree

I mean it almost 100% is, if that's the legal speed in the place that chunk of the manga takes place, that's what we assume. Anime being egregious in its visuals doesn't affect the manga.

I already shared my opinion on how he is already superhuman but 40mph is pushing it, especially on a street near a bay which would fall more under a general road than an expressway

Lad, an expressway would be like 80 to 100 km/h.

 

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[thedaymare]

I already addressed this, and if you want to claim that the car is going slower that 40 mph you will have to prove that.

You can’t prove it is going at the full speed limit at 40 mph, car can be at any speed below 40 mph, 40 is just the upper limit.

 

[thedaymare]

Sure, but if that's the value, that's the value either way.

I mean it almost 100% is, if that's the legal speed in the place that chunk of the manga takes place, that's what we assume. Anime being egregious in its visuals doesn't affect the manga.

Lad, an expressway would be like 80 to 100 km/h.

A lot of assumptions, you can’t just apply that logic, assuming is the max, we dont know for sure but stating that car is going at full speed limit requires more evidence that just the speed limit sign, also take into consideration japanese are moderate and take rules seriously, they dont usually go full speed at all, mostly slow and safe driving.

 

[Chariot190]

You can’t prove it is going at the full speed limit at 40 mph, car can be at any speed below 40 mph, 40 is just the upper limit.

Burden of proof is on you to prove it isn't. Speed limits exist, most hover around it, being notably lower being the default assumption isn't how this works. Why would it be lower? It's the middle of a road, said road is long, there's nobody really around or in the way, it's the only car on the street, it isn't at a turn, the dude ain't slowing to stop, etc.

There is, quite literally, no reason for him to be going notably below the speed limit.

A lot of assumptions, you can’t just apply that logic, assuming is the max, we dont know for sure but stating that car is going at full speed limit requires more evidence that just the speed limit sign, also take into consideration japanese are moderate and take rules seriously, they dont usually go full speed at all, mostly slow and safe driving.

They actually go slightly above the limit on average. This is a whole lot of nothing dude. The assumption is "the general speed driving here is this, ergo-", you, yourself, is actively making extra assumptions that aren't implicated at all in the context.

In fact, apparently it's common for them to go over 14kmh over the limit in 40kmh-specified locales, and is often practiced in Izu 50 to 55 km/h (31 to 34 mph) on roads with a 40 km/h limit.

Of course it can be lower, usually on winding roads or in the mountains, but neither apply here.

So if you're gonna yap, give actual reasons why we should assume a different value from the default assumption we do with any other verse in that, "car here, the speed limit here, ergo car this speed".