Parasyte - Small Upgrade

[thedaymare]

Burden of proof is on you to prove it isn't. Speed limits exist, most hover around it, being notably lower being the default assumption isn't how this works. Why would it be lower? It's the middle of a road, said road is long, there's nobody really around or in the way, it's the only car on the street, it isn't at a turn, the dude ain't slowing to stop, etc.

There is, quite literally, no reason for him to be going notably below the speed limit.

They actually go slightly above the limit on average. This is a whole lot of nothing dude. The assumption is "the general speed driving here is this, ergo-", you, yourself, is actively making extra assumptions that aren't implicated at all in the context.

In fact, apparently it's common for them to go over 14kmh over the limit in 40kmh-specified locales, and is often practiced in Izu 50 to 55 km/h (31 to 34 mph) on roads with a 40 km/h limit.

Of course it can be lower, usually on winding roads or in the mountains, but neither apply here.

So if you're gonna yap, give actual reasons why we should assume a different value from the default assumption we do with any other verse in that, "car here, the speed limit here, ergo car this speed".

Burden of proof is on you to prove it isn't. Speed limits exist, most hover around it, being notably lower being the default assumption isn't how this works. Why would it be lower? It's the middle of a road, said road is long, there's nobody really around or in the way, it's the only car on the street, it isn't at a turn, the dude ain't slowing to stop, etc.

There is, quite literally, no reason for him to be going notably below the speed limit.

They actually go slightly above the limit on average. This is a whole lot of nothing dude. The assumption is "the general speed driving here is this, ergo-", you, yourself, is actively making extra assumptions that aren't implicated at all in the context.

In fact, apparently it's common for them to go over 14kmh over the limit in 40kmh-specified locales, and is often practiced in Izu 50 to 55 km/h (31 to 34 mph) on roads with a 40 km/h limit.

Of course it can be lower, usually on winding roads or in the mountains, but neither apply here.

So if you're gonna yap, give actual reasons why we should assume a different value from the default assumption we do with any other verse in that, "car here, the speed limit here, ergo car this speed".

Burden of proof is on anyone who states that car is going at exactly 40 mph, and again a speed limit sign is not proof enough, you can only guess and assume. Is way more likely to be under the speed limit that at the speed limit exactly or above, more so in Japan where traffic is really respectful of rules.

The driver is obviously looking at Shinichi and thinking, not even looking straight at the road so is safer to assume he is slow driving that going at full speed limit speed.

The driver also is not impressed nor amazed, which would be a normal reaction if anyone see someone running at superhuman speeds on a road.

 

[Chariot190]

Burden of proof is on anyone who states that car is going at exactly 40 mph, and again a speed limit sign is not proof enough, you can only guess and assume. Is way more likely to be under the speed limit that at the speed limit exactly or above, more so in Japan where traffic is really respectful of rules.

You really don't know how the wiki works do you?
We assume the safest assumption with the least amount of guesswork. It's a rod with a 40kmh speed limit. Most people hover around the limit. Therefore it's 40kmh.

Stop yapping about "respectful" when the average driver in that area literally speeds over the limit by like 14kmh.

The driver is obviously looking at Shinichi and thinking, not even looking straight at the road so is safer to assume he is slow driving that going at full speed limit speed.

Yeah no shit he's looking at him, some dude running on the road and overtook him.
This happens within less of a second, you think he slowed down within that tiny half second window of time to look at him? Obviously not.

It isn't safer to assume that, he was just driving and some dude ran by, he didn't know he was going to run by so why would he be going slower suddenly just to look? It isn't like he can't do what he did while driving at a normal limit. Have you ever even driven a car? You can react to shit, such as other cars, passing you without slowling down at vastly higher speeds.

Thinking? Yeah, I'm sure he's like wtf, but it doesn't matter if he's thinking, what matters is the speed he's going. It doesn't even matter if he slows down after he gets passed because he was already outsped, the feat already happened.

The driver also is not impressed nor amazed, which would be a normal reaction if anyone see someone running at superhuman speeds on a road.

Based on what? Even if the car was moving a ludicrous 10kmh, the dude would still be running lik 30-40kmh given how he completely overtook in seconds from a distance. You've been to elementary school I pray, remember those speed-distance-time questions?

Now, instead of wasting everyone's time, and asking everyone to make a bunch of extra assumptions that he's actually going way slower despite being the middle of a road, said road is long, there's nobody really around or in the way, it's the only car on the street, it isn't at a turn, the dude ain't slowing to stop, etc, in a place with a designated limit of 40kmh, in a place most drivers actually SPEED upwards up 10kmh over the limit, despite your claims they go below, all because the dude in the panel isn't making a hyper exagerated reaction.

Give actual reasoning why we should toss out occam's razor, make extra assumptions, treat this case different from any other feat like this in media, because MAYBE he's driving slower? You act like diving below the driving significantly below the posted speed limit without a valid reason isn't considered obstructive and may lead to penalties. Newsflash lad, the 40 speed limit is meant to be followed, you're not meant to go ABOVE or BELOW it by a notable amount with good justification.

 

[Robo432343]

Disagree with the daymare FRA

 

[thedaymare]

You really don't know how the wiki works do you?
We assume the safest assumption with the least amount of guesswork. It's a rod with a 40kmh speed limit. Most people hover around the limit. Therefore it's 40kmh.

Stop yapping about "respectful" when the average driver in that area literally speeds over the limit by like 14kmh.

Yeah no shit he's looking at him, some dude running on the road and overtook him.
This happens within less of a second, you think he slowed down within that tiny half second window of time to look at him? Obviously not.

It isn't safer to assume that, he was just driving and some dude ran by, he didn't know he was going to run by so why would he be going slower suddenly just to look? It isn't like he can't do what he did while driving at a normal limit. Have you ever even driven a car? You can react to shit, such as other cars, passing you without slowling down at vastly higher speeds.

Thinking? Yeah, I'm sure he's like wtf, but it doesn't matter if he's thinking, what matters is the speed he's going. It doesn't even matter if he slows down after he gets passed because he was already outsped, the feat already happened.

Based on what? Even if the car was moving a ludicrous 10kmh, the dude would still be running lik 30-40kmh given how he completely overtook in seconds from a distance. You've been to elementary school I pray, remember those speed-distance-time questions?

Now, instead of wasting everyone's time, and asking everyone to make a bunch of extra assumptions that he's actually going way slower despite being the middle of a road, said road is long, there's nobody really around or in the way, it's the only car on the street, it isn't at a turn, the dude ain't slowing to stop, etc, in a place with a designated limit of 40kmh, in a place most drivers actually SPEED upwards up 10kmh over the limit, despite your claims they go below, all because the dude in the panel isn't making a hyper exagerated reaction.

Give actual reasoning why we should toss out occam's razor, make extra assumptions, treat this case different from any other feat like this in media, because MAYBE he's driving slower? You act like diving below the driving significantly below the posted speed limit without a valid reason isn't considered obstructive and may lead to penalties. Newsflash lad, the 40 speed limit is meant to be followed, you're not meant to go ABOVE or BELOW it by a notable amount with good justification.

Don’t need to be sentimental or personal.

We are debating 40mph sign not 40kmh, so not sure if you mistyped.

The thing is;

1. There’s no clear evidence the car is going at 40mph even if there’s a speed limit sign of 40mph, it doesn’t automatically make every car on road go on that speed, is just the limit, which talking about limits, there should be a minimum speed limit too, since is not there, we can say there’s no minimum speed limit, meaning car can be at any speed unless stated otherwise.

2. The driver is looking directly at Shinichi, not the road ahead, driver is also thinking (the dots) meaning distracted, so the normal and safe bet to assume is that he is driving slowly not the other way. He may even be looking to see whats happening or even if he can stop and help. (Yeah, is not normal to see someone running in the road)

3. The driver is not impressed nor amazed, not only that, people that is seeing Shinichi run are not impressed either like the old guy, if the author really wanted to make it a feat, he would def make the people’s reaction be impressed, amazed, etc, neither of which is shown.

4. Nobody on the road and the road being long only correlates my points, since the driver can take the liberty of slow the speed of the car, be distracted and not looking straight ahead.

 

[Chariot190]

Don’t need to be sentimental or personal.

We are debating 40mph sign not 40kmh, so not sure if you mistyped.

Dude it takes place in Izu.

The thing is;

1. There’s no clear evidence the car is going at 40mph even if there’s a speed limit sign of 40mph, is doesnt automatically make every car on road go on that speed, is just the limit, which talking about limits, there should be a minimum speed limit too, since is not there, we can say there’s no minimum speed limit, meaning car can be at any speed unless stated otherwise.

Occam's razor. We don't assume it's secretly moving at a different speed, they're meant to follow the limit, there's no reason to assume he isn't. Ergo.

2. The driver is looking directly at Shinichi, not the road ahead, driver is also thinking (the dots) meaning distracted, so the normal and safe bet to assume is that he is driving slowly not the other way. He may even be looking to see whats happening or even if he can stop and help. (Yeah, is not normal to see someone running in the road)

Already acknowledged. you're literally just repeating yourself and ignoring why that doesn't work.
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This happens within less of a second, you think he slowed down within that tiny half second window of time to look at him? Obviously not.

It isn't safer to assume that, he was just driving and some dude ran by, he didn't know he was going to run by so why would he be going slower suddenly just to look? It isn't like he can't do what he did while driving at a normal limit. Have you ever even driven a car? You can react to shit, such as other cars, passing you without slowling down at vastly higher speeds.

Thinking? Yeah, I'm sure he's like wtf, but it doesn't matter if he's thinking, what matters is the speed he's going. It doesn't even matter if he slows down after he gets passed because he was already outsped, the feat already happened."

3. The driver is not impressed nor amazed, not only that, people that is seeing Shinichi run are not impressed either like the old guy, if the author really wanted to make it a feat, he would def make the people’s reaction be impressed, amazed, etc, neither of which is shown.

Doesn't matter, this is an argument from incrudulity. You realize no matter what, even if the car was at a mere 10kmh, he'd STILL be superhuman?

In which case, why even then aren't they acting like cartoon characters and making hyper exagerated expressions of disbelief? No matter the case he's still running far beyond what a human can do.

So why is it that "oh he can be superhuman and they don't need to act like cartoons, oh but being THIS fast is to much they'd def act like cartoons!" is ok? It isn't.

Why do they need to be impressed? If anything there's confused as shit. We already know he runs quicker than any human, why aren't they shocked at the fact he's running quicker than an olympic athlete?

This argument is so mindboggling bad, it's just grasping when people wouldn't even do that normally anyway.

4. Nobody on the road and the road being long only correlates my points, since the driver can take the liberty of slow the speed of the car, be distracted and not looking straight ahead.

Except people SPEED in those situations, not slow down to like 5kmh which is what you're effectively arguing as because any speed past that would still make his ass superhuman and thus, according to you, warrant wacky exasperated reactions of impression and awe.

Nobody wants your opinion, that isn't how the wiki works.

He outpaces a car in a place with a 40kmh speed limit, ok so 40kmh, there done. It should have never been questioned past that, the default assumption is fine. But no, because we're being hyper analytical we need to unfairly judge and make a bunch of extra assumptions, except even THEN, it doesn't add up to being slower, as most drivers in that area actually speed over the limit, not go under, the area the feat takes place in has zero reason for them to slow down and actually has ample leeway to speed, and thus assuming that is nothing but baseless conjecture, which we don't use, and given you kept saying japanese drivers try to follow the regulations, directly implicates that he WOULD, in fact, be following the designated speed as you're not supposed to go above or below it without reason, with going below it acting as a potential obstruction and can lead to a penalties. Yet despite all that, you claim he's moving slower, just because at this point really as even your previous presented arguments are objectively false (drivers going under the limit usually, when in reality most speed byt over 10kmh) or following regulations (which would dictate he's moving at 40kmh, not below or above), or the area (the area is literally 40kmh, and is in a place the driver would have the benefit of taking it fast).

Stop wasting time, please, your arguments are based on nothing but personal opinion that doesn't align with reality, facts, standard assumptions the wiki uses. At this point if you can't just give a statement saying his ass was driving dangerously slow (doesn't even make sense, there's ample speed lines and blur present?), there's nothing to debate.

 

[thedaymare]

Dude it takes place in Izu.

Exactly, which has a speed limit of 40 mph not 40 kmph as you are mentioning but anyways.

Occam's razor. We don't assume it's secretly moving at a different speed, they're meant to follow the limit, there's no reason to assume he isn't. Ergo.

There is actually a lot of reasons to assume the contrary, as stated above, you just choose to think otherwise but there are more reasons to think that than to not.

Already acknowledged. you're literally just repeating yourself and ignoring why that doesn't work.
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This happens within less of a second, you think he slowed down within that tiny half second window of time to look at him? Obviously not.

Is a manga panel, want to take the anime for reference?

It isn't safer to assume that, he was just driving and some dude ran by, he didn't know he was going to run by so why would he be going slower suddenly just to look? It isn't like he can't do what he did while driving at a normal limit. Have you ever even driven a car? You can react to shit, such as other cars, passing you without slowling down at vastly higher speeds.

Yeah you can also react to a superhuman speed running human but decide not to, right?

Thinking? Yeah, I'm sure he's like wtf, but it doesn't matter if he's thinking, what matters is the speed he's going. It doesn't even matter if he slows down after he gets passed because he was already outsped, the feat already happened."

Again there’s no proof that’s the case.

Doesn't matter, this is an argument from incrudulity. You realize no matter what, even if the car was at a mere 10kmh, he'd STILL be superhuman?

You understand that’s actually the around the average running speed of a human right? If we triple that, it would be around Usain Bolt’s speed record. Not sure how are you getting superhuman with those numbers.

In which case, why even then aren't they acting like cartoon characters and making hyper exagerated expressions of disbelief? No matter the case he's still running far beyond what a human can do.

So why is it that "oh he can be superhuman and they don't need to act like cartoons, oh but being THIS fast is to much they'd def act like cartoons!" is ok? It isn't.

Why do they need to be impressed? If anything there's confused as shit. We already know he runs quicker than any human, why aren't they shocked at the fact he's running quicker than an olympic athlete?

This argument is so mindboggling bad, it's just grasping when people wouldn't even do that normally anyway.

Don’t need to be a cartoon to be impressed by someone running at superhuman speeds, that would be normal actually, not something usual to see. We are talking about normal people, so it would be consistant to be impressed by someone running at superhuman speeds which they have never seen. This also happens in all media, when the author wants to show that a character is really fast compared to the others.

Except people SPEED in those situations, not slow down to like 5kmh which is what you're effectively arguing as because any speed past that would still make his ass superhuman and thus, according to you, warrant wacky exasperated reactions of impression and awe.

Nobody wants your opinion, that isn't how the wiki works.

He outpaces a car in a place with a 40kmh speed limit, ok so 40kmh, there done. It should have never been questioned past that, the default assumption is fine. But no, because we're being hyper analytical we need to unfairly judge and make a bunch of extra assumptions, except even THEN, it doesn't add up to being slower, as most drivers in that area actually speed over the limit, not go under, the area the feat takes place in has zero reason for them to slow down and actually has ample leeway to speed, and thus assuming that is nothing but baseless conjecture, which we don't use, and given you kept saying japanese drivers try to follow the regulations, directly implicates that he WOULD, in fact, be following the designated speed as you're not supposed to go above or below it without reason, with going below it acting as a potential obstruction and can lead to a penalties. Yet despite all that, you claim he's moving slower, just because at this point really as even your previous presented arguments are objectively false (drivers going under the limit usually, when in reality most speed byt over 10kmh) or following regulations (which would dictate he's moving at 40kmh, not below or above), or the area (the area is literally 40kmh, and is in a place the driver would have the benefit of taking it fast).

Stop wasting time, please, your arguments are based on nothing but personal opinion that doesn't align with reality, facts, standard assumptions the wiki uses. At this point if you can't just give a statement saying his ass was driving dangerously slow (doesn't even make sense, there's ample speed lines and blur present?), there's nothing to debate.

Not need to be sentimental, you sound like your feeling are being hurt for some reason, anyway, we all can share an opinion, even if not asked, that’s what a forum is about.

 

[Dalesean027]

Agreed with chariot this is pretty straightforward

There's genuinely no way yall don't know its also illegal to be driving too slow on roads as well and given how he is easily able to pass a vehicle which even at its absolute slowest in urban area should have a speed limit of 30kmh but usually is between that and 40kmh its like pretty straightforward.

He's on an especially open road at that he quite literally has no reason to not follow road laws and be going less than what's reasonable and that 30kmh is pretty slow considering the kind of road we see the actual vehicle on, on top of the fact there's mot exactly traffic backing it up


He significantly overtakes the vehicle in no time at all and would at least be moving 2x its current pace at worst which can be proven through calculation as well

 

[57Dev]

Agreed. And wow I am surprised people still talk about this anime

 

[Chariot190]

Exactly, which has a speed limit of 40 mph not 40 kmph as you are mentioning but anyways.

No it's literally 40kmh, Japan uses km not miles. Also like, you have LITERALLY been linked sources stating the speed there, have you even clicked any of the links?

There is actually a lot of reasons to assume the contrary, as stated above, you just choose to think otherwise but there are more reasons to think that than to not.

There literally isn't, you haven't given a single one beyond mere baseless conjecture that doesn't even apply to the scene. Or things that simply weren't true like drivers going under limit when in reality they go like 14km over.

Is a manga panel, want to take the anime for reference?

Why would we take a anime that came out like 30 years after the manga that the author had nothing to do with?

The anime is STILL superhuman anyway, and thus half your arguments fall apart the instant dude breaks average human speed.

Yeah you can also react to a superhuman speed running human but decide not to, right?

What are you yapping about?
40kmh isn't impossible to react to, anyone can. I do it all the time, especially when driving, because relatively it isn't 40kmh, you subtract the movement of the vehicle from his movement to get relative speed? Have you never driven a car before?
40kmh isn't even that insane, Usain Bolt runs quicker than that ffs.

Nobody needs to act like a cartoon character and show wacky expressions.

Again there’s no proof that’s the case.

It is the literal default assumption. Stop being obtuse.

You need to prove the car isn't going 40kmh, that's the default assumption and nothing dictates otherwise for us to assume it wouldn't be.

You understand that’s actually the around the average running speed of a human right? If we triple that, it would be around Usain Bolt’s speed record. Not sure how are you getting superhuman with those numbers.

That is LITERALLY my point. Even if you assume a stupidly low speed that is absolutely asinine and isn't supported at all and makes no sense because why in the world would someone be driving a car on a open road with no obstructions in a place with a designated speed of 40kmh at a speed anyone can just outrun, yet even IF that was the case, he'd still be running as fast, if not quicker, than the fastest human. Which, according to you, would warrant huge exasperated reactions.

Don’t need to be a cartoon to be impressed by someone running at superhuman speeds, that would be normal actually, not something usual to see.

Yeah you also don't usually see dudes as fast as Usain Bolt at the minimum running past your car in the 1980s either yet here we are.

We are talking about normal people, so it would be consistant to be impressed by someone running at superhuman speeds which they have never seen.

So why aren't they? We KNOW he's running at superhuman speeds at minimum, even if the car was painstakingly slow, he easily eclipses and is multiple times quicker than it, he's outright stated quicker than any human so be default he's already running at superhuman speeds because they straight up say he is, and yet, even then, they're not making these wild wacky cartoon reactions, dude just looks confused, which yeah sure why wouldn't he? None of this changes the fact we assume the car is 40kmh.

This also happens in all media, when the author wants to show that a character is really fast compared to the others.

And they used a car in this case coupled with statements saying he's quicker than any human.

Straightforward, blatant, yet somehow you're making a fucktrillion extra assumptions that don't even make sense and now that half your arguments have been proven objectively false, you're clinging onto the most lackluster "well this dude didn't shit himself seeing it" to somehow act as proof?

Not need to be sentimental, you sound like your feeling are being hurt for some reason, anyway, we all can share an opinion, even if not asked, that’s what a forum is about.

Sentimental? Not how you use that word, but no, I'm telling you flatout that isn't how this works, at all. Nobody wants your opinion, we want facts, solid evidence, proof, this is a CRT, not a discussion thread.

I do not care what you think or what it MIGHT be, you need to prove your argument has actual merit, not just say "well maybe" when all evidence points to the contrary. What we call that, is stone walling and wasting time. This is a CRT, the only thing that matters is evidence, not opinions.