Parallax , Time Trapper , and a few things.

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Just reading through a respect thread... Technically this is false. It is not incorrect, but falsely stated. I will give scans momentarily, but for now here is the respect thread with scans :

- One, in order to set everything in motion, he killed Time Trapper.

-This triggered the end of creation, every plane of existence and infinite worlds. Yeah Time Trapper is that powerful.

- This doesn't help that along with that, Time Trapper has two VERY casual 2-A level feats in this respect thread for him . They also mention he's outside normal dimensionality and other casual showings.

- On that note, Infinite Man should definitely be upgraded. He stalemated Time Trapper

- His entropy wave ( AKA Time Trapper's doing via his destruction , which makes it scale to Parallax... Because Time Trapper was oneshotted by him ) was destroying every plane of existence & infinite worlds ) . It was very interesting.

- There was even a few statements he was going to re-create what he destroyed , even after fighting the Spectre and being tired after that fight.

I feel an upgrade for Time Trapper, Infinite Man, and Paralax is in order. Spectre is an outlier obviously.

 

[Antvasima]

I do not know enough about the events to properly evaluate this, and do not have the time to read the respect threads, but I will ask Matthew for input.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't have time to check it now, but I will in the afternoon.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Thanks Matt. BTW nice touhou profile pic .

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Not to bother you Matthew ... But it's definitely been past " yesterday's afternoon " . Once you're done with this, I'd like your opinion on something Anti-Monitor related here [ It took place in COIE ] ... Because it affects Parallax & Trapper directly, because both are far above the Anti-Monitor , but also quite a few characters indirectly .

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump . I'm sorry to be annoying... But it's been 4 days.

 

[Oloserian]

This seems pretty important and it's been over a month, so...

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

You can check if Matthew is interested in evaluating this.

 

[Js250476]

This does seem important so I'll be bumping this for anyone to check this out later

 

[Antvasima]

Well, you need to get Matthew to evaluate the respect thread first.

 

[ThavinKiri2410]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

Can you write a better summary of why the Time Trapper should be 2-A?

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Bump. I will do so this afternoon Ant.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I will try to evaluate this.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Jared1111]

Does this mean the possibility of a 2-A Superboy Prime

oh no

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if I remember correctly, in that story the Time Trapper was a sentient timeline, which sounds like Low 2-C.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I apologise for not evaluating this thread, I have started having night classes so my time available here has obviously been reduced.

 

[Stefano4444]

Does this mean the possibility of a 2-A Superboy Prime

I don't think that we should scale Adult Prime with Time Trapper, at least not because of be a version of Time Trapper.

What actual evidence do we have that prove that Final Crisis's Time Trapper was as poweful as Pre Zero Hour Time Trapper?

After he is a different version, so we cannot just automacitally assume that he just as powerful as the original.

There is any statement in Final Crisis that prove that Adult Prime was just as strong as the original Time Trapper?

 

[Stefano4444]

- One, in order to set everything in motion, he killed Time Trapper.

-This triggered the end of creation, every plane of existence and infinite worlds. Yeah Time Trapper is that powerful.

Pretty sure that Parallax was already destroying all creation when he had killed Time Trapper.

http://legionofsuperbloggers.blogspot.it/2016/04/5yl-supplemental-zero-hour.html

Time Trapper's death had never trigger the the destruction of the DC multiverse, it was already happening.

 

[Antvasima]

@Matthew

Okay. That could cause some problems, given that we need your help with the Marvel speed revisions.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Okay.

So the issue here is weather or not Zero Hour Parallax and the Time Trapper should remain Low 2-C or become 2-A, right?

Well, I'll look for the feats.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Zero Hour Parallax feats:

• Kills the Guardians
• Casually beats up the Justice League
• One-shots Superma
• Again destroys League members, including Captain Atom
• Defeats Cyborg Superman and explains that his goal is to erase and remake all of time itself.
• One-shots the Time Trapper
• Again talks of how he'll erase the universe and build a new, better one. He also fights against the Spectre and wins, but struggles against him.
• The heroes unleash a Big Bang at Parallax
• But he survives and through the unleashed Big Bang he succeed in creating his new universe
• Explains that he had obtained residual energy from the Anti-Monitor to complete his goal of remaking all existence
• It's worth note that Parallax was erasing the universe not in the present, but all across time. He erases the 13th Century, many other points in past and future. This apparently includes Pre-Crisis Time.
• This summary of the story confirms that Parallax would have erased the entire multiverse ("Every world, every plane of existence you knew would be eliminated"; "He would have created multiple universes with multiple earths, unwittingly restoring much of what existed before the Crisis")

Other feats:

• When recreated by Emperor Joker, he fights the Hal Jordan Spectre and wins
• Is reborn from Hal Jordan's consciousness and overpowers the Spectre. He is then pulled away from Hal Jordan by the effort of a bunch of heroes and the Spectre
• He then possesses Ganthet and the lanterns fight him. They seal Parallax. Very low-showing.
• It later breaks free and possesses Kyle Rayner But this version doesn't do much and I only found scans in Russian so...
• Returns once again in Blackest Night, where it possesses Hal Jordan and it is stated that the Spectre fears him (Which is why he left last time they fought).
• Parallax vs The Spectre. It's very clear that Parallax is stronger.
• Also years later in Rebirth, Post-Crisis Superman, Pre-Crisis Supergirl, The Flash and Zero Hour Parallax killed the CoIE Anti-Monitor. The only way this isn't massive PIS is if Parallax did most of the work.

I think that Parallax is between Low 2-C and 2-A. He can create and destroys universes, and consistently fights the Spectre, a 2-A guy.

I would be conformed with "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-A" due to the clarification that he would have erased the Multiverse and all the times he's fought the Spectre.

 

[Stefano4444]

I think that Parallax is between Low 2-C and 2-A. He can create and destroys universes, and consistently fights the Spectre, a 2-A guy.

Upgrade him at 2-A make more sense than 2-C, he had fought COIE Anti-Monitor and he had killed the original Time Trapper (also a supposed 2-A character).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Well I think that he was thought to be Low 2-C because people didn't realize that he was erasing all of Time in DC, including the time before the Crisis.

 

[Stefano4444]

Well I think that he was thought to be Low 2-C because people didn't realize that he was erasing all of Time in DC, including the time before the Crisis.

Well, the scans only refer to a single universe which means only a single reality.

But i remember that there were other scans that say that he had destroyed all timelines and universes, but i couldn't find them.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I honestly expected this to be ignored honestly... Thanks guys. And yes , @Matt was right, most people asssumed he was a Universal+ Reality Warper because of such implications. Anyways...

2-A is a lot better than Low 2-C . That's a fact . I appreciate your help Matthew .

BTW, "every plane of reality/existence" ... How can you tell whether it is 2-A or High 1-B , because i've seen several people argue for either or whenever such a phrase pops up.

 

[Malikobama1]

Just to add to the scans...I'm a huge DC fan and I have a ton of stuff on my computer from past days on other forums

Narration says Spectre was helpless before Parallax's primal evil while doing battle in Hal Jordan's soul

Dan Jurgens, author of Zero Hour, considers ZH Parallax close, if not equal, to COIE Anti-Monitor in power

Guidebook says Parallax has seemingly limitless power

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Malikobama.... Very nice.

 

[Stefano4444]

BTW, "every plane of reality/existence" ... How can you tell whether it is 2-A or High 1-B , because i've seen several people argue for either or whenever such a phrase pops up.

Well usually planes of existence are not the same thing as realities or universes, normally a plane of existences (like the Astral Plane) are treated like alternative dimensions that coexist with each other, and together they made reality itself.

Destroy a plane of existence, logically speaking, would only be a Universe level to Universe level+ feat at most (assuming that a plane of existence is universal in size and that the plane in question is indeed a separated reality).

 

[Antvasima]

@Matthew

Thank you for the help. I am fine with your suggestion.

Where should we place the Time Trapper's statistics?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I will research Time Trapper, Spectre and stuff a bit more.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks again.

I would appreciate if you focus on organising the Marvel speed revision after this is done, if you find the time.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I will. Looking at Time Trapper stuff now.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Time Trapper:

• Wasn't affected by the Crisis. This is typically a signifier of cosmic powers, or being outside the flow of time or something.
• States to be unbound by the flow of linear time
• Casually overpowering Pre-Crisis Superma
• Created and warped his own universe, and also warped many other timelines
• He can take single moments of time and create entire realities from them, which may or may not exist depending on his momentary mood
• The Time Trapper is untouched by time and space, and is the embodiment of time, also is shown creating a universe from a moment
• Another example of Time Trapper doing that
• States that he is the Embodiment of Entropy
• Plans to destroy time itself, across the whole multiverse. The whole plan of how he would do it is rather convoluted but he needed preparation to do it.
• The Time Trapper's domain is the end of all time in all the universes
• Admits he helped the near-destruction reality itself In Zero Hour. Pages prior he said that reality has infinite universes

My conclusion? He's solidly above Low 2-C but he isn't 2-A. He can't create or destroy infinite universes.

2-C, 2-A with Preparation Time is how I'd rank him.

 

[Xantospoc]

Time Trapper:

• Wasn't affected by the Crisis. This is typically a signifier of cosmic powers, or being outside the flow of time or something.
• States to be unbound by the flow of linear time
• Casually overpowering Pre-Crisis Superma
• Created and warped his own universe, and also warped many other timelines
• He can take single moments of time and create entire realities from them, which may or may not exist depending on his momentary mood
• The Time Trapper is untouched by time and space, and is the embodiment of time, also is shown creating a universe from a moment
• Another example of Time Trapper doing that
• States that he is the Embodiment of Entropy
• Plans to destroy time itself, across the whole multiverse. The whole plan of how he would do it is rather convoluted but he needed preparation to do it.
• The Time Trapper's domain is the end of all time in all the universes
• Admits he helped the near-destruction reality itself In Zero Hour. Pages prior he said that reality has infinite universes

My conclusion? He's solidly above Low 2-C but he isn't 2-A. He can't create or destroy infinite universes.

2-C, 2-A with Preparation Time is how I'd rank him.

Would this scale to Superboy Prime's page oooor?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The 2-C part yes, not the 2-A.