Pandimensional beings and Bill Cipher

[ShionAH]

Idk it's implied Blendin had to straight up leave space-time to escape the dimensional rift

If Bill was 2-C or low 2-C blendin wouldnt be able to travel

 

[JC245]

yeah, because he left his dimension and went to the nightmare realm, also ford believes bill came from a "similar world that was mysteriously destroyed" so that's not the place he was from.

we don't know yeah, but that doesn't help the case of him being above 3D anyway

not only is that just an ability unless connected to his existence, time is not 4D, it is not a dimension above the third, it is simple the dimension we count after the 3 dimensions of space, spacetime as a whole is 4D but only togheter, time by itself is not comparable to spatial dimensions

Regardless, him being 2D when he meets Ford doesn’t hold any weight because he clearly has depth and volume when they meet and we don’t have any other 2D characters to compare to Bill. His multi-dimensional makeover more or less is just him stating how powerful he’s become since he now controls “time itself”, which does imply 4th dimensionality


The 4th dimension has always been regarded as time, I’m not sure if you’re possibly regarding 5D? How does dimensional tiering work on this site?

 

[JC245]

If Bill was 2-C or low 2-C blendin wouldnt be able to travel

I don’t see how that ties to Bill. Bill killed time at that point, but it was only contained within the bubble.

 

[ShionAH]

Bill killed time at that point

 

[JC245]

That was kind of a big point in the intro

 

[ShionAH]

That was kind of a big point in the intro

Time hax /=/ killing time

 

[ShionAH]

"Blendin knowing that the universe was destroyed means his best feat explicitly can't be Low 2-C, as the timeline isn't destroyed by it. That knowledge could have come from the Time Police in the future, or when Blendin fled he could have travelled to another point in time to know that the universe would be destroyed, since he mentioned it as something that already happened."

 

[JC245]

Time hax /=/ killing time

I don’t get how people refer to time abilities as Hax in this show. Time Baby can blatantly manipulate the timeline through his time wishes while bypassing paradoxes, Bill can casually see through time to predict certain events and has outright stated to be able to control “time itself”.

 

[ShionAH]

Time Baby can blatantly manipulate the timeline through his time wishes while bypassing paradoxes,

Cool time hax

Bill can casually see through time to predict certain events

cool precognition

and has outright stated to be able to control “time itself”.

cool time hax

 

[JC245]

"Blendin knowing that the universe was destroyed means his best feat explicitly can't be Low 2-C, as the timeline isn't destroyed by it. That knowledge could have come from the Time Police in the future, or when Blendin fled he could have travelled to another point in time to know that the universe would be destroyed, since he mentioned it as something that already happened."

When has he ever regarded as something that’s already happened? Him escaping just could’ve been trying to get out of the immediate sight of Bill. The Time Cops nor Time Baby treat as an incident that already happened

 

[ShionAH]

When has he ever regarded as something that’s already happened? Him escaping just could’ve been trying to get out of the immediate sight of Bill. The Time Cops nor Time Baby treat as an incident that already happened

Make a CRT for Low 2-C Bill. I doubt it will be accepted but try

 

[Jason_Courne]

If Bill was 2-C or low 2-C blendin wouldnt be able to travel

Wuh? Blendin left the timestream, that and there are infinite universes across the Multiverse

 

[ShionAH]

Make a CRT for Low 2-C Bill. I doubt it will be accepted but try

Idk much so yeah go and do that

 

[Winter]

Tbh Bill seems he’d be way higher but lacks evidence. His tiers are wacky for what the wiki made of it.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Regardless, him being 2D when he meets Ford doesn’t hold any weight because he clearly has depth and volume when they meet and we don’t have any other 2D characters to compare to Bill. His multi-dimensional makeover more or less is just him stating how powerful he’s become since he now controls “time itself”, which does imply 4th dimensionality


The 4th dimension has always been regarded as time, I’m not sure if you’re possibly regarding 5D? How does dimensional tiering work on this site?

not the kind of dimension here, dimensional tiering as a whole and here requires the higher dimensions to view lower ones as infinitely inferior, like fiction, dreams, thoughts or just not existent, time doesn't do that, it simple dictates the movement of stuff in space, it is not 4D in the sense of being above 3D, it is the 4th dimension because we count it after the 3 dimensions of space, not because it is a higher dimension

 

[JC245]

not the kind of dimension here, dimensional tiering as a whole and here requires the higher dimensions to view lower ones as infinitely inferior, like fiction, dreams, thoughts or just not existent, time doesn't do that, it simple dictates the movement of stuff in space, it is not 4D in the sense of being above 3D, it is the 4th dimension because we count it after the 3 dimensions of space, not because it is a higher dimension

Where exactly are you getting this definition from? Even in the tiering system on this site when talking about Low 2-C, affecting an entire space-time continuum is considered a 4D feat. And the citation talks about space time continuums being made up of the 3D space plus time which turns it into a 4D space.

 

[GarrixianXD]

Make him 10-C for getting beaten up by teenage nerds

 

[TheShape03]

11-A because it is 2D

 

[GarrixianXD]

Alright, for real:

So, first of all, Ford, to make the Portal to the Multiverse, he needed super advanced technology, and it was with the materials he found on the Trilazzx ship that he was able to start his project. There, they found a small battery called the Hyperdrive, which holds all the power to turn on the portal (besides holding a technology beyond human comprehension, even in the face of geniuses), and they only managed to do something with direct help from Bill himself. To continue with his plan with the Hyperdrive, Ford had to study fifth-dimensional calculus.

After building the Portal, where its only source of power originates from the Hyperdrive, which is nothing more than a small battery of the pandimensional spaceship, its destruction could put the entire fabric of reality in danger, In addition to the ability to tear the dimensional fabric.

So, just to sum it all up: a tiny battery of the pandimensional ship has the ability to destroy the entire reality, tear apart the dimensional fabric, create portals to infinite universes and to study it, fifth-dimensional knowledge was needed.

Now, let's go about Bill Cipher.

On his profile page, it says that he is only capable of destroying the universe together with the rift, right? But the cartoon itself has already demonstrated that he has the full ability to do this with his own powers.

In the 19th episode, a battle takes place in Stanley's mind, where Bill builds a universe for such a scenario, then he starts torturing the characters and they discover that they can use powers too. A small battle ensues until Bill just gets tired and ends it all. And how does he do it? Destroying that entire universe with one word, leaving absolutely everything in a white vacuum.

Now, you can say "ah, but it only happened in the mind, he doesn't have that ability to do that in the real world". Wrong.
In the same episode, he demonstrates being able to make monsters appear out of nowhere with a laser of his own, a feat he does in the real world in Weirdmageddon, outside other things. Apart from that, he is a reality manipulator who throughout the entire history is placed as a direct threat to the universe, so it would not be likely that he would only be able to destroy it with the rift.

Just because us humans are dumb as shit and some dorito shaped "extradimensional" alien done some sensational sleight doesn't mean they're god whatsoever.

The pandimensional spaceship stating to be capable of tearing up space-time and dimensional fabric doesn't qualify for a tier or potency of any kind, as it only qualifies for space-time hax or reality warping at best. Fifth-dimensional calculus would be mathematics and only qualify for a level of intelligence instead of potency, perhaps in might contribute to the Gravity Fall's cosmology for requiring 5th-dimensional calculus to cross the multiverse but it would not prove their tier to be above 3-A otherwise (since Bill didn't show any signs of destroying extradimensional places).

The Universe Bill created within Stanley's mind was imaginary and enough said, even Dipper and Mable could become green lanterns and commit the hella of a beating on Bill. The first YT vid you shown of Bill warping his imaginary Universe inside Stanley's mind utterly destroying it, instantly yielding in to his willpower. Bill summoning a monster feat was within his imaginary universe in astral space and the third video of him summoning tentacles out of nowhere doesn't prove of him having a higher AP otherwise.

Ah yes, "higher-plane" = extradimensional. Even if Ford really meant a higher plane is equivalent to a higher dimension, it would still be an inconsistent statement since Bill stated his dimension was also a 2-D flat plane. Hence, him destroying his own dimension would be a 11-A feat since well... Bill knows himself better than Ford does for obvious reasons.

Anyhow, I disagree FRA

 

[GarrixianXD]

11-A because it is 2D

11-A for his original form and 10-C for his awakened Weirdmageddon form lmao

 

[GarrixianXD]

Tbh Bill seems he’d be way higher but lacks evidence. His tiers are wacky for what the wiki made of it.

Zeno seems to be Tier 0 honestly...

That's how wikis are, we need concrete evidence to support those characters on that level. I've seen shit tons of Gravity Fall fans complaining Bill should be Outerversal whatsoever with all their headcannon bs.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Where exactly are you getting this definition from? Even in the tiering system on this site when talking about Low 2-C, affecting an entire space-time continuum is considered a 4D feat. And the citation talks about space time continuums being made up of the 3D space plus time which turns it into a 4D space.

yes, space + time is 4D, i said that, you are saying that him viewing and messing with time is 4D, but it is not

the tiering page even says that the 4D we use has to be:

Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.

or Portrayed as completely transcending lower-dimensional objects and spaces in the setting of a given work of fiction.

time by itself does not do it, is only when you include space in the mix that you reach such a level, because a spacetime contiumn is the equivalent to uncountably infinite "snapshots" of the universe

 

[GarrixianXD]

yes, space + time is 4D, i said that, you are saying that him viewing and messing with time is 4D, but it is not

the tiering page even says that the 4D we use has to be:

Equivalent to a large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not microscopic / compactified.

or Portrayed as completely transcending lower-dimensional objects and spaces in the setting of a given work of fiction.

time by itself does not do it, is only when you include space in the mix that you reach such a level, because a spacetime contiumn is the equivalent to uncountably infinite "snapshots" of the universe

The gap between High 3-A and Low 2-C isn’t a joke lmao