Overlord Speed, Durability and Attack CRT

[1HaxyMF]

First speed.
There's three separate feats that support triple digit Mach Overlord level 100's.

Riku is described as moving exactly the speed of a meteor, which is 7 to 45 miles per second.

Albedo crosses a 100 metres in the time it takes Azuth to barely move out of the way.

The Witch of the Fallen Kingdom

Yes — ah, no. Please leave it all to me, Ainz-sama.” Albedo replied just as that silhouette reached the Sorcerer Kingdom’s front, hovering a hundred meters up in the air and about a hundred meters away from them.

Ainz gave out his order.
“Go! Albedo. Do not let him escape!”
“Yes!”
●
Albedo took flight as she gripped tightly onto her halberd.
Her wings of pure black flapped once and it was more than enough for her to close the gap between them.
She was not sure if it was because the gap between them had been closed so fast, but the Powered Suit turned around in a stiff motion.
Albedo almost sunk her halberd into his unprotected back before the Powered Suit flew away. He did not fly towards the capital, but moved northwards instead.

Azuth should be at the very least capable of moving in single digit milliseconds.
That's because a Adamantite/Level 20 Tia react to bullets from a handful of meters away. A level 50+ Evileye, far superior to Tia can't see a level 100 Momon move or fight Demiurge.

The Men of the Kingdom 2

Momon spread both his arms, and the greatswords which were like an extension of his hands seemed to shine.
“That… would be inconvenient. Do permit me to put up a bit of resistance.”
“Then— here I come.”
He stepped forward — no, that was not right. The Momon standing in front of her had vanished. He was engaged in an intense melee with Jaldabaoth.
It had developed into a struggle that Evileye could not describe with words.
The afterimages of countless swords, parried and countered by the extended claws of Jaldabaoth.
“Incredible…”
There were many ways to render praise, but at this moment, Evileye, who was entranced by the dazzling swordplay before her, could only offer up that single word. It exceeded the blows of all the swordsmen in her memory. She saw the form of a warrior who would cleave through the darkness that wrapped the world and all its evil in one stroke.

Azuth's Powered Suit boosts his movement and reactions enough that he can react to Albedo

The armor’s physical and magic damage were high-tier, independent of the user’s abilities. The same was true for its defensive and evasive capabilities.
You could call it an armor that instantly closed the gap between the weak and the strong.

As she rapidly approached her enemy, Albedo raised her fist for a punch.
She intended to make a mockery of her opponent by not using the halberd in her hand. Another reason for the punch was that she could not accurately gauge the amount of damage he took if she were to use the halberd.
Her opponent attempted to block it with the Arcane Rifle, but Albedo’s strike was much faster.
Even though she held back a little, a hit from the level 100 Albedo was still devastating.
Gooong! A metallic noise rang out as her opponent was sent flying.

Azuth should easily be capable of moving in less than milliseconds.
If it took a millisecond for Albedo to cross a 100 meters
100÷0.001 is equal to 100000 meters a second or 62 miles a second or a 100 kilometres a second.

The next one is Ainz fighting the Evil Lord of Wrath in a city and by the end of the fight, he falls outside the country in the Abelion Hills.

“Indeed. I would very much like to send you as well, but we still do not know where the Sorcerer King fell. He might be ten kilometers away or a hundred. If things go badly, he might have fallen into the Abelion Hills, which Jaldabaoth controls. Even if I allowed you to go to such a desolate place, would you have any means of finding the Sorcerer King?”

The fight in the air takes 12 seconds in the movie.

If they flew in a straight line instead of fighting as they did, it would still be a double digit Mach feat.

Can I get some assistance in calcing Nuclear Blast?


All level 100's should scale above Nuclear Blast in attack power and durability since Nuclear Blast is seen as a weak spell.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't see Calculations for two of these speed feats, nor do I see the separation in the AP CRT and the Speed CRT for proper organization.

 

[noninho]

Yeah, I think it would be positive to discuss this nuclear thing first (don't recall if there's a Overlord GD here, but I think there is) and get a calculation for those feats of speed

 

[1HaxyMF]

I don't see Calculations for two of these speed feats, nor do I see the separation in the AP CRT and the Speed CRT for proper organization.

The falling outside the country one would be atleast a 100 km. So:
100km÷ 12 seconds= 8.3 kilometres a second or Mach 24.
Could you give me details on how to go about "the separation in the AP CRT and the Speed CRT"?

 

[DaReaperMan]

The falling outside the country one would be atleast a 100 km. So:
100km÷ 12 seconds= 8.3 kilometres a second or Mach 24.

This is a medieval country. 100 kilometers would be innaccurate. This is speaking as someone who had to rabbit hole this shit to even get Low 7-C.

Could you give me details on how to go about "the separation in the AP CRT and the Speed CRT"?

Ya make two different CRTs. But neither one of these CRTs can be properly done until you have two accepted calculations

 

[1HaxyMF]

This is a medieval country. 100 kilometers would be innaccurate. This is speaking as someone who had to rabbit hole this shit to even get Low 7-C.

I'm using the statement from the Crown Prince. The way he speaks about it seems to imply the Abelion Hills are even further away than a 100km. I posted it earlier

“Indeed. I would very much like to send you as well, but we still do not know where the Sorcerer King fell. He might be ten kilometers away or a hundred. If things go badly, he might have fallen into the Abelion Hills, which Jaldabaoth controls. Even if I allowed you to go to such a desolate place, would you have any means of finding the Sorcerer King?”

Ya make two different CRTs. But neither one of these CRTs can be properly done until you have two accepted calculations

So I wait for them to be accepted first?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm using the statement from the Crown Prince. The way he speaks about it seems to imply the Abelion Hills are even further away than a 100km. I posted it earlier

OR it's controlled by the enemy, hence it's a "desolate place"

So I wait for them to be accepted first?

I'm too tired to explain the intricacies of this shit... Just talk to someone on the staff team. Shouldn't be hard to find one.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Almost nothing about this works

First speed.
There's three separate feats that support triple digit Mach Overlord level 100's.

Riku is described as moving exactly the speed of a meteor, which is 7 to 45 miles per second.

All you did is post an imgur pic of an untranslated section. Even if it says what you claim, you have to at least get it reliably translated

Azuth should be at the very least capable of moving in single digit milliseconds.
That's because a Adamantite/Level 20 Tia react to bullets from a handful of meters away. A level 50+ Evileye, far superior to Tia can't see a level 100 Momon move or fight Demiurge.

No, there is no reason to assume Entoma's bugs she fires as projectiles with the name "Bullet Bug" are analogous to irl bullets in their speed, nothing supports that beyond them being named "Bullet Bugs". Not only that but Entoma also very visibly loads up her arm and then points at them, Tia has enough time to just aim dodge (in this aim block via her shield) for it to likely not even count as a proper reaction feat even if it was legit. This faulty assumption of Bullet Bugs = Irl bullet speed also stops the assumption of using a super small number as Azuth's reaction in its tracks, which im not even sure would be how that would be calced anyway but it doesn't matter.
The closest argument that Bullet Bugs = irl bullets in speed is this:

The three-centimeter-long insects gleamed with a steely radiance, and the fronts of their V-shaped bodies were sharp, bearing a strong resemblance to rifle bullets. No, that resemblance was only to be expected, because these insects were used exactly like rifle bullets.

So they bear resemblance, which doesn't mean anything, and Entoma describes them as being used like bullets. Which still doesn't really mean much by itself because the use of a bullet is to be fired as a projectile. It doesn't need to inherently mean it is fired at the exact speed of irl bullets. There just isn't really enough going for it to make this kind of assumption. That said, the "because these insects were used exactly like rifle bullets" also isn't the worst as a statement, so it could maybe be used for supporting evidence for other supersonic feats, but prob not standing out on its own imo

The next one is Ainz fighting the Evil Lord of Wrath in a city and by the end of the fight, he falls outside the country in the Abelion Hills.

"“Indeed. I would very much like to send you as well, but we still do not know where the Sorcerer King fell. He might be ten kilometers away or a hundred. If things go badly, he might have fallen into the Abelion Hills, which Jaldabaoth controls. Even if I allowed you to go to such a desolate place, would you have any means of finding the Sorcerer King?”"

The fight in the air takes 12 seconds in the movie.

If they flew in a straight line instead of fighting as they did, it would still be a double digit Mach feat.

I don't think this is saying what you think it's saying. The dude is making a guess and just throwing out numbers to highlight how they have zero info on where Ainz is "He could be ten kilometers or even 100 for all we know". He's not throwing out exact measurements "Yes this is exactly how many kilometers Ainz fell away from this location.
The Abeldion Hills also is not implying it's further than those distances, even if they were meant to be literal. He's saying that the Hills are Jaldaboath territory, so that would be especially bad for them rather than a random plane kilometers away. It being described as a desolate place also just isn't any indication of it being further.

Can I get some assistance in calcing Nuclear Blast?


All level 100's should scale above Nuclear Blast in attack power and durability since Nuclear Blast is seen as a weak spell.

I mean yeah they should, but we don't have a calc yet so just throwing it at us doesn't help. As the guy who was doing most of the work before for Overlord, im planning to try and make a scaling CRT for the verse as a starting point, since im recovering from my Overlord burnout i think. The best thing would just be getting calcs of potential feats for me to compile into the big scaling CRT at this point tbh, especially since as i've illustrated this CRT just doesn't really function with how we do things nor with the lack of generally logical assumptions/leaps.

No offense if i come off aggressive. I see you're prob new so some stumbling is fine, it's just a lot to deal with on top of making my own revisions and balancing that with my job lol

 

[1HaxyMF]

All you did is post an imgur pic of an untranslated section. Even if it says what you claim, you have to at least get it reliably translated

I forgot about that
まさに流星のような速度だ。
"It's exactly the speed of a meteor."
まさに — Exactly
流星 — meteor
のような — like/such as/similar to
速度 — speed/velocity
だ — it's

No, there is no reason to assume Entoma's bugs she fires as projectiles with the name "Bullet Bug" are analogous to irl bullets in their speed, nothing supports that beyond them being named "Bullet Bugs". Not only that but Entoma also very visibly loads up her arm and then points at them, Tia has enough time to just aim dodge (in this aim block via her shield) for it to likely not even count as a proper reaction feat even if it was legit. This faulty assumption of Bullet Bugs = Irl bullet speed also stops the assumption of using a super small number as Azuth's reaction in its tracks, which im not even sure would be how that would be calced anyway but it doesn't matter.
The closest argument that Bullet Bugs = irl bullets in speed is this:

That's a valid argument. Though the manga clearly shows her hands come up after the bullets get fired.

The second is the Death Warrior cutting bullets from an gun. It supports Tia's reaction feat.

I don't think this is saying what you think it's saying. The dude is making a guess and just throwing out numbers to highlight how they have zero info on where Ainz is "He could be ten kilometers or even 100 for all we know". He's not throwing out exact measurements "Yes this is exactly how many kilometers Ainz fell away from this location.
The Abeldion Hills also is not implying it's further than those distances, even if they were meant to be literal. He's saying that the Hills are Jaldaboath territory, so that would be especially bad for them rather than a random plane kilometers away. It being described as a desolate place also just isn't any indication of it being further.

Okay, that makes sense

I mean yeah they should, but we don't have a calc yet so just throwing it at us doesn't help. As the guy who was doing most of the work before for Overlord, im planning to try and make a scaling CRT for the verse as a starting point, since im recovering from my Overlord burnout i think. The best thing would just be getting calcs of potential feats for me to compile into the big scaling CRT at this point tbh, especially since as i've illustrated this CRT just doesn't really function with how we do things nor with the lack of generally logical assumptions/leaps.

There's a that post a lot of feats that could help you.

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/overlord-light-novel-anime-manga-feat-discussion.1042383/

No offense if i come off aggressive. I see you're prob new so some stumbling is fine, it's just a lot to deal with on top of making my own revisions and balancing that with my job lol

Oh, no problem. We are all human

 

[noninho]

I forgot about that
まさに流星のような速度だ。
"It's exactly the speed of a meteor."
まさに — Exactly
流星 — meteor
のような — like/such as/similar to
速度 — speed/velocity
だ — it's

afaik despite you being correct, you'll be needing this translation validated by a Translation Helper

Though the manga clearly shows her hands come up after the bullets get fired.

I don't get it lol

I really hope you're correct, but there's some rules/ways of doing stuff that you're lacking in this CRT, as people pointed out before. Let's correct them and get them a buff

 

[1HaxyMF]

afaik despite you being correct, you'll be needing this translation validated by a Translation Helper

I have no idead the workings around here. Do I reach out to a "Translation Helper?"

I don't get it lol

I really hope you're correct, but there's some rules/ways of doing stuff that you're lacking in this CRT, as people pointed out before. Let's correct them and get them a buff

I mean Tia the ninja is shown with her hands open at her sides while the bullets are flying at her and the bullets are pretty close.
In the next panel her hands are up and he blocks the spell. If she can do that but levels greater than her can't see the highest levels fighting, it supports what I was saying in my first post.

Azuth should easily be capable of moving in less than milliseconds.
If it took a millisecond for Albedo to cross a 100 meters
100÷0.001 is equal to 100000 meters a second or 62 miles a second or a 100 kilometres a second.

 

[noninho]

I have no idead the workings around here. Do I reach out to a "Translation Helper?"

Yes
For him to get here and attest what is written in the scene you mentioned

 

[LaserPrecision]

Albedo crosses a 100 metres in the time it takes Azuth to barely move out of the way.

Azuth should be at the very least capable of moving in single digit milliseconds.
That's because a Adamantite/Level 20 Tia react to bullets from a handful of meters away. A level 50+ Evileye, far superior to Tia can't see a level 100 Momon move or fight Demiurge.

This would be calc-stacking. Smth the wiki doesn't allow. You could prolly use like, peak human reaction times. Likely Superhuman. As they crossed the whole distance before they reacted. It was only when she was swinging that the suit managed to get away.

100/0.08 = 1250 m/s (Mach 3.6)

 

[1HaxyMF]

This would be calc-stacking. Smth the wiki doesn't allow. You could prolly use like, peak human reaction times. Likely Superhuman. As they crossed the whole distance before they reacted. It was only when she was swinging that the suit managed to get away.

100/0.08 = 1250 m/s (Mach 3.6)

Could you explain what calc staking is?
Azuth in the mech is faster than people who can react to bullets very close to hitting them, that is why the milliseconds is used. Is that not allowed?

 

[Apeironaxim]

That's a valid argument. Though the manga clearly shows her hands come up after the bullets get fired.

Not really? Unless im seeing it wrong her arms honestly don't change positions much between the panels, most definitely not enough to be Supersonic, and imo the small amount of movement still supports being able to say it was mostly via aim dodging (or in this case blocking with a magic shield you can conjure with a thought) via the very clear indication Entoma was up to something while gathering bugs into a raised arm, but again even if you don't wanna say that her arms barely move. You arent supersonic just because you can react to bullets (especially if you know something is coming), depending on the context you can get Subsonic for dodging even minigun fire.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Could you explain what calc staking is?
Azuth in the mech is faster than people who can react to bullets very close to hitting them, that is why the milliseconds is used. Is that not allowed?

It's just other feats in the series to justify a rating, and then using that rating to calculate another feat. For example:

Character A runs 3x faster than a bullet in a feat. Meaning they are Supersonic.

Character B blitzes character A.

Calc-stacking is using Supersonic timeframes/reactions for Character A being blitzed and isn't allowed on the wiki. You can however use reactions/timeframes that character's are stated to operate at. If there's a statement someone can react in a millisecond, that can be used for calculations. The example you gave isn't.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Following.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

following, its about time we get the high tiers up and out of supersonic

 

[Apeironaxim]

following, its about time we get the high tiers up and out of supersonic

Well it ain't happening here. There are no calcs to accompany it and most of the arguments use stuff we don't accept like the calc stacking, turning normally subsonic feats into mach speed feats. Honestly this thread should be closed, as it's clear the OP is new and so hasn't realized what is expected of CRT creation.
I do have plans for a CRT to straighten out scaling/Tiers, but i'll need calcs to be able to apply to characters first.
Im sincerely trying to update the verse, as I did before and was the primary person doing so, but all these threads suddenly out of the blue being thrown around isn't helping the process

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

I get it, it's just that I refuse to belive the death warrior feat isn't hypersonic somehow

 

[Apeironaxim]

I don't think you get how fast Hypersonic is. Especially when in a previous post i highlighted how you don't even need to be supersonic to do bullet timing/dodging stuff depending on how it's done. But hey, maybe a calc will surprise me when it eventually gets made

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

I don't think you get how fast Hypersonic is. Especially when in a previous post i highlighted how you don't even need to be supersonic to do bullet timing/dodging stuff depending on how it's done. But hey, maybe a calc will surprise me when it eventually gets made

I do know, it's just that the scene looked so overwhelming that I couldn't think it's anything less

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I do know, it's just that the scene looked so overwhelming that I couldn't think it's anything less

You need to get real close to the bullet to get anywhere close to Hypersonic.

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[1HaxyMF]

Not really? Unless im seeing it wrong her arms honestly don't change positions much between the panels, most definitely not enough to be Supersonic, and imo the small amount of movement still supports being able to say it was mostly via aim dodging (or in this case blocking with a magic shield you can conjure with a thought) via the very clear indication Entoma was up to something while gathering bugs into a raised arm, but again even if you don't wanna say that her arms barely move. You arent supersonic just because you can react to bullets (especially if you know something is coming), depending on the context you can get Subsonic for dodging even minigun fire.

I'm not saying Tia is supersonic. I'm saying she can react to bullets from close. People many times stronger can't do the same to high levels moving. Azuth in the mech doing it makes him a millisecond timer minimum because he can, and it is why Albedo crossing 100 meters in that time is a feat. It's just other feats in the series to justify a rating, and then using that rating to calculate another feat. For example:

Character A runs 3x faster than a bullet in a feat. Meaning they are Supersonic.

Character B blitzes character A.

Calc-stacking is using Supersonic timeframes/reactions for Character A being blitzed and isn't allowed on the wiki. You can however use reactions/timeframes that character's are stated to operate at. If there's a statement someone can react in a millisecond, that can be used for calculations. The example you gave isn't.

So if a character is speed of light, and another character blitzes that character, the 2nd person cannot be assumedd to be ftl? Is that what it means?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm not saying Tia is supersonic. I'm saying she can react to bullets from close.

which is like Subsonic.

So if a character is speed of light, and another character blitzes that character, the 2nd person cannot be assumedd to be ftl? Is that what it means?

No. They need to be STATED in the SOURCE MATERIAL to be SoL to use it.

 

[1HaxyMF]

which is like Subsonic.

I don't think you understand what I'm mean.
The time it would take Tia to react to the bullets would be low milliseconds.
A character faster than Tia is slow as a anail to 100 levels.
Evil eye who is stronger cannot see Ainz mive.
Azuth can react to Albedo even when she was close because the mech made him stronger and faster.
Meaning Azuth can react more faster than Tia can.
If it took a millisecond for him to barely get out of the way, Albedo would be 3 digit Mach.
Though if this is calc stacking and isn't allowed then mosr Overlord people become weak because some can only get feats this way.

No. They need to be STATED in the SOURCE MATERIAL to be SoL to use it.

I thought that's why calcs are used? So that if a direct statement isn't given, people can look through and calc it.

 

[LaserPrecision]

So if a character is speed of light, and another character blitzes that character, the 2nd person cannot be assumedd to be ftl? Is that what it means?

The second person would just be assumed to be baseline FTL via upscaling. But you wouldn't be allowed to calculate it.

 

[1HaxyMF]

The second person would just be assumed to be baseline FTL via upscaling. But you wouldn't be allowed to calculate it.

So does that mean the only feat that can be used is Riku being as fast as a meteor?

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't think you understand what I'm mean.

I understand exactly what you mean, now watch as the results of the calc are "This is almost definitely aimdodging because Entoma ANOUNCES HER ATTACK and OBVIOUSLY LOADS UP FOR THE ATTACK"

A character faster than Tia is slow as a anail to 100 levels.

Calc stacking if you tried this.

Evil eye who is stronger cannot see Ainz mive.
Azuth can react to Albedo even when she was close because the mech made him stronger and faster.
Meaning Azuth can react more faster than Tia can.
If it took a millisecond for him to barely get out of the way, Albedo would be 3 digit Mach.

Aka "PLEASE ACCEPT MY CALC STACKING SO I CAN WANK THIS VERSE!!!"

Though if this is calc stacking and isn't allowed then mosr Overlord people become weak because some can only get feats this way.

Now you're catching on!

Calc Stacking

Calc stacking refers to the practice of using results from one calculation in order to calculate other feats. Usually calc stacking is believed to be flawed, so that calculations that use it should be disregarded almost always. Usually people try to use it for calculating characters speed, but...

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I thought that's why calcs are used? So that if a direct statement isn't given, people can look through and calc it.

Calcs are used ONCE. If you have a calc for a characters' speed, you cannot and will not apply that to any other calculation. I don't care how weak it makes a verse, it becomes exponentially less accurate if you calc stack.

 

[DaReaperMan]

So does that mean the only feat that can be used is Riku being as fast as a meteor?

Yes. And it'd probably be the outlier here.

 

[1HaxyMF]

I understand exactly what you mean, now watch as the results of the calc are "This is almost definitely aimdodging because Entoma ANOUNCES HER ATTACK and OBVIOUSLY LOADS UP FOR THE ATTACK

Aim dodging would mean she reacted before the bullets were in the air. She put her hand up and did her ninjutsu while the bullets were coming at her.
If I put up a shield after an attack has occurred, I would still need to react and move in milliseconds.

Aka "PLEASE ACCEPT MY CALC STACKING SO I CAN WANK THIS VERSE!!!"

Why so aggressive?

Calcs are used ONCE. If you have a calc for a characters' speed, you cannot and will not apply that to any other calculation. I don't care how weak it makes a verse, it becomes exponentially less accurate if you calc stack

Huh. That is very different from other places I've see. Especially when the reasoning is backed by other feats and how the level system works as a whole. Well, when in Rome..
Okay then.

Then I'll leave it at there and try to get more details of the city to make nuclear blast easier to calcu

 

[LaserPrecision]

This would be calc-stacking. Smth the wiki doesn't allow. You could prolly use like, peak human reaction times. Likely Superhuman. As they crossed the whole distance before they reacted. It was only when she was swinging that the suit managed to get away.

100/0.08 = 1250 m/s (Mach 3.6)

This feat should be valid if you're looking for feats. It doesn't use any other calculations to justify it, so it should be good. It's the best you can do without visuals.

Can I get some assistance in calcing Nuclear Blast?


All level 100's should scale above Nuclear Blast in attack power and durability since Nuclear Blast is seen as a weak spell.

This would be easy enough to calculate with a higher quality clip. At worst, a screenshot of the crater the explosion left behind. There are buildings off to the side of it, so getting its size is rather simple.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Aim dodging would mean she reacted before the bullets were in the air. She put her hand up and did her ninjutsu while the bullets were coming at her.
If I put up a shield after an attack has occurred, I would still need to react and move in milliseconds.

And how do you know Entoma started firing before she did so? Simple answer: ya don't. And they were also pretty far away from eachother, so you're looking at like... Subsonic or maybe even as low as Superhuman.

Hell, you don't even have a speed to use here, what speed does a bullet bug go at? IRL bullets vary from Subsonic to Supersonic+, there isn't a given speed for a bullet, and you can't even estimate the round because Entoma isn't firing a gun.

TLDR: it is a nothing feat.

Why so aggressive?

My patience is limited.

 

[noninho]

I add myself to the list of who would like to see Overlord stronger and faster and so on so forth

This is just not how calcs and feats work down here besides the imprecise calling of hypersonic

 

[LaserPrecision]

This would be easy enough to calculate with a higher quality clip. At worst, a screenshot of the crater the explosion left behind. There are buildings off to the side of it, so getting its size is rather simple.

I'd also like to note, what I presume is "Lightning magic" in that scene, easily looks to be moving at speeds upward of Hypersonic+. So if that scales to anyone, that would also be worth calculating.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

I'd also like to note, what I presume is "Lightning magic" in that scene, easily looks to be moving at speeds upward of Hypersonic+. So if that scales to anyone, that would also be worth calculating.

Lightning is lightning, also with the existence of other elemental magic like ice, fire, etc, isn't that enough justification for mhs? Or is there a rule I'm forgetting about that?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Lightning is lightning, also with the existence of other elemental magic like ice, fire, etc, isn't that enough justification for mhs? Or is there a rule I'm forgetting about that?

Lightning Feats

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[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Lightning Feats

Many fictional characters make use of attacks or equipment that produces lightning or electricity. As such it useful to know how to quantify lightning feats. Most electricity in fiction is not real lightning. Often it is supernatural in nature, and is possibly not even electricity. Therefore...

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I'm sorry, the fact that it's drawing from the literal element of lightning just makes it sound like it should be mhs, mb

 

[LaserPrecision]

Lightning is lightning, also with the existence of other elemental magic like ice, fire, etc, isn't that enough justification for mhs? Or is there a rule I'm forgetting about that?

As answered already, the wiki doesn't assume magical abilities or powers utilize real lightning. And thus natural speeds aren't assumed. Their speed can be assumed to be equivalent to real lightning if their properties are shown to meet the criteria of the lightning feats page. It should be noted the same applies to light. So if there is light magic, it isn't assumed to be lightspeed. It's case-by-case basis. All for the purpose of avoiding inflation. So I'd say it's worth calculating imo. The lightning seems to easily cover hundreds of meters in a single frame.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

As answered already, the wiki doesn't assume magical abilities or powers utilize real lightning. And thus natural speeds aren't assumed. Their speed can be assumed to be equivalent to real lightning if their properties are shown to meet the criteria of the lightning feats page. It should be noted the same applies to light. So if there is light magic, it isn't assumed to be lightspeed. It's case-by-case basis. All for the purpose of avoiding inflation. So I'd say it's worth calculating imo. The lightning seems to easily cover hundreds of meters in a single frame.

That aside, the magic they use draws from the elements, Fireball is fire, ice spells are ice, so i thought lightning being a literal element WAS the justification needed