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Oryx vs Arceus
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I do think Oryx would win this as a 2-B. On top of the stuff mentioned already, his Throne World is hidden even from the Vex and his Acausality has legitimately worked as a barrier to entry style power in verse. Nobody's really argued against him though, and given that upgrades haven't happened yet I don't think we can add this.
On the matter of the Chaos Gods, I'd say he loses as a 2-B and wins as a 2-A.
On the matter of the Chaos Gods, I'd say he loses as a 2-B and wins as a 2-A.
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Sigmar/Fantasy Chaos Gods are arguably 2-A themselves. Also they may be connected to 40k Chaos Gods. I've seen multiple references to it. Also depends on whether he can actually destroy the concepts of Rage and Anger, Change and Fate, Decay and Stasis, Pleasure and Perfection.
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What is Oryx's 2-B starting range?
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Pretty sure they're 2-B because of the word "seemingly" popping up in one of the quotes, kinda like how Oryx was held back from tier 2 for a while due to "cyst".
Them being the exact same beings as the 40k gods is something I personally think is true, but I do not know of any official confirmation of it.
Them being the exact same beings as the 40k gods is something I personally think is true, but I do not know of any official confirmation of it.
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Isn't Arceus just hundreds of millions? Isn't it a stomp then?Wokistan said:
Or does he have some sort of hax that can potentially kill/incap Oryx?
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Well in the book "Aurelian" where Lorgar goes on his pilgrimage, he encounters the Leader of the Bloodthirsters because Khorne sends him to fight Lorgar. Then Ingethel states "Kharnath has violated the accord. Kharnath has violated the accord. Kharnath has v—"
Kharnath is Khorne's name in fantasy/sigmar.
Kharnath is Khorne's name in fantasy/sigmar.
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Isn't Arceus just hundreds of millions? Isn't it a stomp then?
Arceus is in the Hundreds of millions * countless parallel worlds * countless dimensions * contless something else, methinks.
"countless" isn't a number though so they are not applicable. It's the same reason we don't give 2-A for such statements.
Arceus is in the Hundreds of millions * countless parallel worlds * countless dimensions * contless something else, methinks.
"countless" isn't a number though so they are not applicable. It's the same reason we don't give 2-A for such statements.
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They do have many names in both of the continuities though. I don't think that on its own would be enough to get rid of the 2-B keys and conclusively say they're the same being, but it could be supportive if there's more stuff. I do remember there being quite a lot which was why this idea came into being in the first place, but none off the top of my head rn.
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No they're 2-B because they each have 1/5 in a realm that encompasses an endless void which encompasses 8 realms with each being a multiverse of countless universes.
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Wok, do you not feel shame for wrecking Arceus's status as a 2-B even further?
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No there are many other references. Kharnath is just not used in 40k like at all. I've only came across it this once.
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I think it's been soundly established that Oryx obliterates anyway.
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I almost wonder if we shouldn't introduce a "high 2-B" for 1 million+1 and more multiverses and "low 2-A" for "countless, but not expressively infinite" multiverses, considering how often I have seen such a situation come by.
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Well you could designate 2-Bs in terms of their AP. That seems really unecessary if you just put how many universes they can destroy on profiles so when people read them they don't make a bad battle.
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Arceus can't affect a type 5 acasual, so it's a stomp
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What and where exactly is the throne world?
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the throne world is also a type 5 acasual, so no
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I kinda assumed that would be the case.
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Stomp FRA
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I noticed that no one mentioned the fact that this is Concept Manip Type 2 vs Concept Manip Type 3 (it's great that the type is now finally displayed properly for Destiny characters).
So yea, Stomp for that and FRA.
So yea, Stomp for that and FRA.
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Stomp FRA
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It's funny when the OP didn't realize Type 5 Acausal from Oryx. Yeah, stomp
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Sure, if you've realized that, why did you still make this then?
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