Oryx faces another little girl-smurf

[PaChi2]

Oryx, the Taken King vs Beatrice (Wild Arms)

SBA

Speed equal because Oryx doesnt have speed of his own.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

 

[WHYNAUT]

She lacks resistances so she should get taken. What does she start with?

 

[PaChi2]

She lacks resistances so she should get taken. What does she start with?

"The ability to Take passively erases existence in the area around them, which destroys foes and resurrects them as taken subservient to the will of Oryx, Oryx notably is able to Take beings such as the Vex, who are acausal and exist simultaneously at every point in time. Here Oryx's ability to take is referred to as an "ontological weapon", likening it to the Vex Gorgons that can retroactively erase things from time across multiple timelnes. Oryx can also use each of these abilities excluding conceptual manipulation, body puppetry, and possession independently from one another in his material form for a variety of different applications, although law manipulation in the material realm is limited otherwise. Before even becoming a god, Auryx's will alone could warp laws."

High godly regen says "lul" at that.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Beatrice stomps

Oryx is super hard to find an even match for...

 

[WHYNAUT]

She lacks resistances so she should get taken. What does she start with?

"The ability to Take passively erases existence in the area around them, which destroys foes and resurrects them as taken subservient to the will of Oryx, Oryx notably is able to Take beings such as the Vex, who are acausal and exist simultaneously at every point in time. Here Oryx's ability to take is referred to as an "ontological weapon", likening it to the Vex Gorgons that can retroactively erase things from time across multiple timelnes. Oryx can also use each of these abilities excluding conceptual manipulation, body puppetry, and possession independently from one another in his material form for a variety of different applications, although law manipulation in the material realm is limited otherwise. Before even becoming a god, Auryx's will alone could warp laws."

High godly regen says "lul" at that.

Except that Taking involves bringing back the target at the same time so she wouldn't need to regenerate.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Beatrice

 

[WHYNAUT]

Ok but why?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Ok but why?

Type 9 immortality,High-Godly regen means oryx can`t kill her.Mind hax is useless against her she resists it on a higher dimensional scale.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Idk how her type 9 works. Would it activate if she was incapacitated? He could still use body puppertry instead of mind control. I already stated how Taking can bypass regen.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Idk how her type 9 works. Would it activate if she was incapacitated? He could still use body puppertry instead of mind control. I already stated how Taking can bypass regen.

Her true body is in the 25th dimension.She uses avatars.

 

[WHYNAUT]

So if one avatar got incapacitated she would send another? If so then this is a stomp.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

So if one avatar got incapacitated she would send another? If so then this is a stomp.

yes

 

[WHYNAUT]

So this should be closed then.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Beatrice should just be 1-B TBH

 

[WHYNAUT]

All the more reason to close this. Oryx maxes out at 4-D.

 

[Wokistan]

Second key Oryx has passive nearly everything, so I guess she'd just keep sending avatars forever that she immediately loses control of.

What even is this match. It's technically an incon but I want to say mismatch.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's not inconclusive because Beatrice has 25-D hax. Oryx dies to smurfs but stomps non smurfs, which makes him virtually impossible to find a fight for.

 

[Wokistan]

Yeah but she doesn't really get to use that hax if her avatars just get taken immediately.

If there's a 25D entity you're arguing haxes him directly, she should really have a separate key for that.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

She should. I don't know why she doesen't since that's why she stomped Lavos and Kriemhild.

 

[Wokistan]

Also, using the 5-A key makes me think that direct attacks from the 1-B form aren't exactly allowed. Nobody argues on emperor threads that he just comes crashing into reality in full warp god mode.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

...To be honest I also find the whole "Lol it's an avatar of a tier x being" thing, people have used that to argue Unicron has 1-B hax in his low tiers

 

[PaChi2]

Also, using the 5-A key makes me think that direct attacks from the 1-B form aren't exactly allowed. Nobody argues on emperor threads that he just comes crashing into reality in full warp god mode.

maybe we should.

 

[FateAlbane]

I mean, Beatrice's Mindhax/Memory hax is also passive.

Wouldn't Oryx just nuke an avatar but get simultaneously mindhaxxed, thus ending it at that? Sounds stompey to me too.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Wait so her matches are basically both of her keys double teaming the enemy? That sounds like that's misproper.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean


It's like arguing that 7-C Pennywise can just Low 2-C an enemy

 

[FateAlbane]

@DragonEmperor You know how people have type 9 based on their real selves being out of reach?

Beatrice's type 9 is not 1-A levels like Emprah or Rein but still pretty good. What you see on earth is an avatar she can keep remaking and sending again unless you reach or kill her up there.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

It depends on how the character actually fight.

If it's in character for the Tier 2/1 being to nuke the fight if their avatar loses it should be allowed. If not, then we leave it at that.

 

[Wokistan]

Oryx's passive doesn't stop if he's mindhaxxed, though. Even after he outright died and had his throne world obliterated, Mara Sov was nearly driven insane by the Ascendant Plane as usual and the Taken Blight still spreads.

 

[FateAlbane]

Considering it was agreed above that Oryx can't reach her true self I'm pretty sure their passives simultaneously nuke each other while real self Beatrice sort of chills.

Considering Oryx will be mindhaxxed, at that point wouldn't it mean he's lost? Real self Beatrice would be fine while he would be just standing there post mindhax, passives still work but nonetheless incapped.

Unless he nopes the 25-D mindhax/memoryhax somehow, in which case nobody wins.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

So there's no point in making any matches for her Smurf key because any opponent that kills it will be murdered by her 25D key?

 

[Wokistan]

Well she can't really seem to affect him if all her avatars still can't exist properly in his location. His mental resist is def not 25D though.

I still maintain that the two forms should be separated like everyone else who is like this, though. Having the immortality and powers as an avatar is one thing, but having the higher being just show up and fight itself doesn't seem right.

 

[FateAlbane]

The higher being doesn't show up and fight, she just sends other avatars. And in EoS her true self lying in the higher dimension has the range to cover for it.

She's not outright 1-B in her higher form, it's just out of reach just like Emprah in Immaterium and such.

 

[Wokistan]

People above seem to be implying that people have used the argument of the higher being directly doing things.

Emps there is listed as High 1-B/1-A, though. She has 25D everything and exists in a 25D space, but is not listed as 1-B?

Remember you don't really need a dimensionality to be a tier, and RW can scale to AP. Just look at Molecule Ma.

 

[Wokistan]

At this point a CRT'd be better, which I do not have the time for rn so I'll just ask you about that later. No matter how you slice it, this matchup doesn't work.

 

[PaChi2]

Also, using the 5-A key makes me think that direct attacks from the 1-B form aren't exactly allowed. Nobody argues on emperor threads that he just comes crashing into reality in full warp god mode.

Sorry to reopen this, but I cant be the only one who imagined this as the emperor jumping from a portal in a Godzilla-like manner and starts terrorizing Tokyo, right?