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Orochi upgrade

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Using anime timeframes Boros kicked Saitama to the moon in 3 seconds. Boros also proved he can catch up to saitama after launching him at relativistic speeds. Thus, boros should be upgraded.
 
Quangotjokes said:
Using anime timeframes Boros kicked Saitama to the moon in 3 seconds. Boros also proved he can catch up to saitama after launching him at relativistic speeds. Thus, boros should be upgraded.
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Hold on a sec, the feat needs to be calc and excepted.
 
Fairytailsubsonico1 said:
Is hyperbole because the greater deed of the verse is less than that? Wtf
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"A general rule is that if a claim is made that is completely out of league of anything ever shown in said universe (for example, if someone claimed to be a planet buster in a verse where the strongest feats were city busting), it's most likely a hyperbole." - Hyperbole page

This is how we treat all verses. When the greatest feat in the entire franchise performed by the God Tier of the series is Sub-Rel, arrogant fodder claiming themselves to be FTL with nothing backing it up can be dismissed. This is no different than us having FTL Burter from Dragon Ball or FTL Garuda from Fist of the North Star be discarded as hyperboles. We're not mistreating any verse over the other.

That doesn't even matter though since the statement isn't even about speed. It's about Cockroach's enhanced aimdodging skills. He senses when an opponent is going to attack and dodges the attack in advance before it's thrown.
 
That's just speculation. As far as we know, Saitama is the only God Tier with no one able to challenge him.

"AC is just skill not speed."

Exactly. Awakened Cockroach's speed isn't FTL. Therefore we can't make Orochi's speed FTL scaling to AC's.
 
Ryukama said:
That's just speculation. As far as we know, Saitama is the only God Tier with no one able to challenge him.
"AC is just skill not speed."

Exactly. Awakened Cockroach's speed isn't FTL. Therefore we can't make Orochi's speed FTL scaling to AC's.
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I think the idea is to scale Orochi to FTL because he blitzed a guy who claims he can avoid even light speed attacks. Not that AC is capable of light speed movement, not that I agree with that idea.
 
1. Awakened Cockroach being FTL or dodging FTL attacks is a hyperbole. He has no feats or additional reliable statements to support he can. And characters vastly superior to him have shown at best the ability to dodge Mach 3600 to Sub-Rel attacks.

2. Blitzing a guy because you attacked him before he could aimdodge you does not mean your speed scales to an attack he could aimdodge under the proper conditions. If Spiderman aimdodges one bullet because he dodges the shooter before he could shoot, but gets hit with the other bullet because it was shot before he dodged, that does not mean the second bullet was much faster than the first.
 
Him dodging the attack before it was thrown, AKA an aimdodge. The entire idea of an aimdodge is you can avoid things far faster than your natural reactions would be able to. Blitzing someone's natural reactions does not mean you're as fast as something he could've aimdodged had he not relied on his natural reactions
 
You are contradicting yourself, first that when you say that the ability of the AC comes from a skill and not from speed, you can not consider a comparison of it with other characters, whether they are superior or not, why? Because if it is a skill that he clearly has the others have not, then it would have made sense for them to have a reaction based on speed rather than inferior ability
 
you know what orochi did? he just ate the cockroach, because he knew he was a loser. so orochi should have "can sense if someone lost a battle or not" as an ability. im serious.
 
He doesn't say anything about him having to react, he said his body sense killing intent and dodges automatically, implying he has no concious control over it. Perhaps Orochi had no killing intent?
 
I'm not contradicting myself. This upgrade is so fallacious that under multiple interpretations it's still illegitamate. And I'm arguing against both interpretations.

The two interpretations:

1. Awakened Cockroach's statement means he's FTL and/or has FTL reactions.

  • This is a hypebole as the absolute best feats in the series performed by who people make this guy look like utter fodder are Mach 3600 and Sub-Rel. Which is one of the main determinging factors of something being a hyperbole. When no other feats support it and the claim is out of league with the rest of the verse.
2. Awakend Cockroach's statement means he's such a good aimdodger he could've aimdodged Genos's attack even if it were at lightspeed.

  • Then this doesn't scale to Orochi's speed. Again, blitzing someone before they can aimdodge your attack does not mean you scale to the speed of something they could've aimdodged. If Spiderman aimdodges one bullet because he dodges the shooter before he could shoot, but gets hit with the other bullet because it was shot before he dodged, that does not mean the second bullet was much faster than the first.
So either way this upgrade doesn't work.
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
Quangotjokes said:
Using anime timeframes Boros kicked Saitama to the moon in 3 seconds. Boros also proved he can catch up to saitama after launching him at relativistic speeds. Thus, boros should be upgraded.
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Hold on a sec, the feat needs to be calc and excepted.
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ok cool
 
one day.... i ******* swear.... one day OPM characters will be FTL. not today. not tomorrow. but eventually. you'll all see.
 
darkshine has immunity to parasite attacks. and orochi can sense if someone lost a battle or not. and orochi has immunity to Do-S's love slave ability.
 
  • "This is a hypebole as the absolute best feats in the series performed by who people make this guy look like utter fodder are Mach 3600 and Sub-Rel. Which is one of the main determinging factors of something being a hyperbole. When no other feats support it and the claim is out of league with the rest of the verse."


The fact that it is a unique ability of him does not differ from the others made of reaction / speed
 
If you want to interpret this as an aimdodging technique rather than actual speed, then again, still no upgrade.
 
@ryu I dont really understand. AC can dodge attacks faster than light. I dont think its that he's actually faster than light itself. I think he has a precog ability that lets him dodge before the enemy even starts the attack. So even if he isnt actually FTL himself, he can still dodge FTL attacks because of his precog. AC may only be demon level, but thats because he doesnt have much destructive capability. In terms of agility, hes one of the greatest. This isnt a hyperbole IMO. And yet orochi was able to impale him before his auto dodge ability kicked in.
 
Awakened Cockroach is very clearly nowhere near as fast as Saitama, Boros or Garou. And likely not as fast as top tier S-Classes like Flash and Tornado. Either way, the greatest feats of the series as a whole and of people far faster than him don't come anywhere close to FTL. Meaning if you want to claim that this statement means AC is FTL or has FTL reactions, then it's a hyperbole.

But let's say it's an aimdodge ability as you're saying the statement means. Then Orochi blitzing AC before he could aimdodge doesn't mean Orochi is as fast or faster than things he could've aimdodged. If Spiderman aimdodges one bullet because he dodges the shooter before he could shoot, but gets hit with the other bullet because it was shot before he dodged, that does not mean the second bullet was much faster than the first.
 
Ryukama said:
If you want to interpret this as an aimdodging technique rather than actual speed, then again, still no upgrade.
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It's kinda like when garou did the same thing to saitama. He couldnt react to his movements. simply aimed dodged everything.
 
I think it's strange that if there is another demonstration of speed superior to that of the more powerful characters of OPM (even those made only a portion and not all in some cases) it will be disregarded on account of being superior to sub rel
 
If someone slower than Saitama has an actual feat of FTL that's not an outlier, then sure we'll rate them and Saitama as FTL. But when it's a mere statement from a cocky character with nothing else backing it up, then we have to be more skeptical. This is how we treat all similar cases. Burter and Garuda would've been FTL ages ago if it weren't.
 
So are we ready to close this?, It seems like this has been settled and is practically going in circles.

If you guys want the anime version of Saitama's moon jump calced the you gotta bring it to The Official Calculation Request Thread
 
I agree. It's gone in circles and is just turning into copy pasting the same previous posts over and over. Also the OP suggested just waiting until translations a while ago.

Like LordGriffin1000 said people are free to request a calculation in that thread and see if they'll accept anime timeframes.
 
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