OPM : Speed and Strength Evolution (+ Some Boros upgrade)

[MrTayman616]

Currently, the multiplier of Garou vs Saitama only applies to strength related stats. It's already known that he grows in all stats though the value doesn't apply for all. I'll try to make it apply to speed as well.

Darkshine, while fighthing Garou, states that his speed is growing very fast, which he only realizes later that his strength is also grows. Meaning his speed's growth is more noticeable.

While fighting Platinum Sperm, Garou continued to accelerate to the point Platinum Sperm couldn't use his attacks at the right time anymore while still being able to somewhat physically resist his attacks. Which the last attack being a blitz and one shot later.

A main factor for Speed is leg strength, which Flashy Flash states Saitama was following him via his "leg strength". Which this should apply for their physical growth as well.

Within Saitama vs Garou, Saitama has grown to the point he could constantly blitz Garou in their fight throughout the entire moon of Jupiter, while he hadn't reached a point that was enough to defeat Garou with his attacks. His speed has grown way more noticeable than his strength.

The multiplier should apply for their speed as well.
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I had done this before but the thread changed it's direction because of Boros's scaling chain being wrong.

Boros's Meteoric Burst form should be 2x stronger than his Released form. In his released form, he has his physical attacks and then there is his energy bullets, using his latent energy, which those energy attacks are way stronger than his physical attacks.

His Meteoric Burst combines these two together, Which means his attacks on Meteoric Burst should scale to combination of his physical attacks and energy bullets. His energy bullets scale to above his physical attacks without any full value above it.

So Meteoric Burst's attacks should scale to "At least" and 2x value of the current value. Simply physical attacks + energy bullets latent energy.

 

[DavidTPPM]

First I want to address a little issue I have here.

Within Saitama vs Garou, Saitama has grown to the point he could constantly blitz Garou in their fight throughout the entire moon of Jupiter, while he hadn't reached a point that was enough to defeat Garou with his attacks. His speed has grown way more noticeable than his strength.

Saitama was definitely not blitzing Garou here. For one, we can blatantly see that Garou is constantly perceiving and reacting to Saitama.

The whole point of the sequence is not that Garou is being blitzed but that Garou is being confused, disoriented, and overwhelmed by Saitama "attacking from all 3 dimensions" in order to replicate Garous "inescapable" attack.

Calling that blitzing is a bit misleading and inconsistent with stuff like the graph showing that they were equal before Saitamas exponential growth, Garou only commenting on him growing stronger during said exponential growth, and them generally being equal whenever they did directly interact with no outside influences.

The multiplier should apply for their speed as well.

As for the growth thingy, I agree that the growth should be proportional to the strength as they both fundamentally come from the same source and usually when a Saitama and Garou grow they do so in both strength and speed.

The only slight issue I have with that is that Garou does still land hits on Saitama as he's being outgrown and even dodges his serious sneeze. Saitama supposedly completely dwarfed Garou and yet they still seem pretty relative in speed, all things considered. If the stats did grow proportionally as they should, how can Saitama be completely beyond Garous level to the point where Garou can't even observe Saitama getting stronger and yet have Garou still seem relative?

And we do have characters with vastly higher speed than strength and wise versa. For example Orochi far dwarfs PS or Flashy in stats but gets dwarfed by their speed.

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I had done this before but the thread changed it's direction because of Boros's scaling chain being wrong.

Boros's Meteoric Burst form should be 2x stronger than his Released form. In his released form, he has his physical attacks and then there is his energy bullets, using his latent energy, which those energy attacks are way stronger than his physical attacks.

His Meteoric Burst combines these two together, Which means his attacks on Meteoric Burst should scale to combination of his physical attacks and energy bullets. His energy bullets scale to above his physical attacks without any full value above it.

So Meteoric Burst's attacks should scale to "At least" and 2x value of the current value. Simply physical attacks + energy bullets latent energy.

Do we have any evidence the power of his released form and latent energy is comparable and combined? If so sure, I think that's more than consistent with his portrayal.

But multiplier rules are pretty strict here. Simply using 2 attacks at once doesn't necessarily prove a 2x multiplier (which is why for example Naruto doesn't have a 9x multiplier with his 9 tailed beast rasen shuriken attack)

 

[MrTayman616]

Do we have any evidence the power of his released form and latent energy is comparable and combined? If so sure, I think that's more than consistent with his portrayal.

But multiplier rules are pretty strict here. Simply using 2 attacks at once doesn't necessarily prove a 2x multiplier (which is why for example Naruto doesn't have a 9x multiplier with his 9 tailed beast rasen shuriken attack)

It's even in their profile. Also it is fine i guess, the thread i linked was about it as well.

Saitama was definitely not blitzing Garou here. For one, we can blatantly see that Garou is constantly perceiving and reacting to Saitama.

Garou did it via using his portals, Saitama did it with physical ability. Also for someone who's reacting, getting hit throught entire IO doesn't make any sense in any way.

Calling that blitzing is a bit misleading and inconsistent with stuff like the graph showing that they were equal before Saitamas exponential growth, Garou only commenting on him growing stronger during said exponential growth, and them generally being equal whenever they did directly interact with no outside influences

That graph shows the end of chapter 167 where Garou starts to constantly copy him. Not the start of the fight.

The only slight issue I have with that is that Garou does still land hits on Saitama as he's being outgrown and even dodges his serious sneeze. Saitama supposedly completely dwarfed Garou and yet they still seem pretty relative in speed, all things considered. If the stats did grow proportionally as they should, how can Saitama be completely beyond Garous level to the point where Garou can't even observe Saitama getting stronger and yet have Garou still seem relative?

And we do have characters with vastly higher speed than strength and wise versa. For example Orochi far dwarfs PS or Flashy in stats but gets dwarfed by their speed.

The Garou that lands hit is continuously copying him and the difference isn't much there.

Dodging a sneeze, I mean he moves before Saitama sneezes, no? I don't think the sneeze is relative to anything here.

Characters like Flashy Flash train specifically for speed, leg strength etc.

They don't grow in all stats like that.

Edit: sry for the order of lines, my phone just hates me.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It's even in their profile. Also it is fine i guess, the thread i linked was about it as well.

Neither the fact that the profile mentions he combines the power or the fact he does more DC serve as evidence he does achieve double the power of a single attack.

Again while it does make obvious sense that MB Boros is VASTLY more powerful than released Boros, unless there's a direct statement pointing towards a 2x amp we can't exactly give him a 2x multiplier out of thin air.

Garou did it via using his portals, Saitama did it with physical ability.

Garou mainly did it through martial arts not portals. He mostly used those to set up the attack.

Either way it doesn't matter to the argument I was making.

Also for someone who's reacting, getting hit throught entire IO doesn't make any sense in any way.

The manga makes it extremely obvious Garou is struggling with his sense of direction and Saitama attacking omnidirectionaly. That's the whole point of that scene.

He's clearly shown perceiving Saitama both when he throws Io and when he sneaks into his portal.

That graph shows the end of chapter 167 where Garou starts to constantly copy him. Not the start of the fight.

That graph shows that Garou from the start chapter 168 and seemingly chapter 167 has been identical to Saitamas power and even before that the line is straight.
This is the 15th page of 168
So here we can tell that where I put the arrow is the 15th page and everything I highlighted in purple has happened either earlier in the chapter or in the previous chapter

So again they were very clearly equal for a long period of time without Saitama just randomly jumping by blitz tiers like you're suggesting. Which is again supported by Garou repeatedly clashing with Saitama and tanking his serious attacks.

The Garou that lands hit is continuously copying him and the difference isn't much there.

Garou constantly copying him is irrelevant here because Saitama is constantly growing at an exponential rate meaning every time Garou copies him, Saitama grows far stronger right away to the point where Garou is scared of getting one shotted.
This means Saitama is constantly stronger and should be constantly faster as well.

And later on Garou still punches Saitama in the face and sends him in the opposite direction in space when he's actively so much weaker he can't even observe Saitamas power anymore.

Dodging a sneeze, I mean he moves before Saitama sneezes, no?

Maybe but that wouldn't explain Garou turning his head to look at the sneeze afterwards and even turning around before the sneeze even reaches Jupiter.
I mean again he can't even PERCIEVE Saitamas power but he's landing hits and perceiving a serious sneeze from him?

Especially if you think Garou was getting blitzed during the first half of the fight. That would prove Garou can percieve Saitamas power despite supposedly getting massively blitzed, but can't percieve his power when he's not getting blitzed. So either Garou couldn't have been getting blitzed or power and speed don't grow proportionally.

Characters like Flashy Flash train specifically for speed, leg strength etc.

They don't grow in all stats like that.

Yeah exactly so just improving 1 stat doesn't instantly amp all. And Saitama here had no issues with Garous speed nor was he racing him. Instead his only struggle was that Garou was matching and tanking his blows.
So these stats CAN grow non-proportionally and Saitamas growth didn't need to increase his speed in this case.

Generally the graph is weird. High key Garou should NOT be struggling with Saitama being only 3ish times stronger (and possible faster) here and yet he is.

 

[Electronic74947]

Neither the fact that the profile mentions he combines the power or the fact he does more DC serve as evidence he does achieve double the power of a single attack.

Again while it does make obvious sense that MB Boros is VASTLY more powerful than released Boros, unless there's a direct statement pointing towards a 2x amp we can't exactly give him a 2x multiplier out of thin air.

Garou mainly did it through martial arts not portals. He mostly used those to set up the attack.

Either way it doesn't matter to the argument I was making.

The manga makes it extremely obvious Garou is struggling with his sense of direction and Saitama attacking omnidirectionaly. That's the whole point of that scene.

He's clearly shown perceiving Saitama both when he throws Io and when he sneaks into his portal.
Maybe but that wouldn't explain Garou turning his head to look at the sneeze afterwards and even turning around before the sneeze even reaches Jupiter.
I mean again he can't even PERCIEVE Saitamas power but he's landing hits and perceiving a serious sneeze from him?

I mean it's not like saitama was trying to dodge and was actively growing more and more bored as the fight progressed, boros was showing to keep up with saitama during their fight and we know saitama was holding back immensely too

 

[MrTayman616]

Again while it does make obvious sense that MB Boros is VASTLY more powerful than released Boros, unless there's a direct statement pointing towards a 2x amp we can't exactly give him a 2x multiplier out of thin air.

Its not an "2x" multiplier. It's just their combination.

Garou mainly did it through martial arts not portals. He mostly used those to set up the attack.

Either way it doesn't matter to the argument I was making.

Uh, no. He states fist to be unavoidable, saying distance doesn't matter to his fist as well. mainly cuz of the portals.

While what Saitama was doing is showing off his strength(in Garou's eyes)

That graph shows that Garou from the start chapter 168 and seemingly chapter 167 has been identical to Saitamas power and even before that the line is straight.
This is the 15th page of 168
So here we can tell that where I put the arrow is the 15th page and everything I highlighted in purple has happened either earlier in the chapter or in the previous chapter

The line is straight because it's the starting point of the thread and Because Garou copies him.

Thise lines are the difference between Saitama and Garou copying Saitama. continuously.

So again they were very clearly equal for a long period of time without Saitama just randomly jumping by blitz tiers like you're suggesting. Which is again supported by Garou repeatedly clashing with Saitama and tanking his serious attacks.

Garou had to copy Saitama again because of the difference between them. Saitama at that point was much superior.

Garou constantly copying him is irrelevant here because Saitama is constantly growing at an exponential rate meaning every time Garou copies him, Saitama grows far stronger right away to the point where Garou is scared of getting one shotted.
This means Saitama is constantly stronger and should be constantly faster as well.

That would be if each moment had equal timefire etc. or if he had equal growth rate for every moment.

Saitama's growth rate wasn't at that level, but that just makes his growth slower, not that he doesn't reach that level of difference.

Maybe but that wouldn't explain Garou turning his head to look at the sneeze afterwards and even turning around before the sneeze even reaches Jupiter.
I mean again he can't even PERCIEVE Saitamas power but he's landing hits and perceiving a serious sneeze from him?

Again, this doesn't make sense. Why would Garou not able to turn his back before the sneeze reaches to jupiter, 421000km distance. Also it doesn't mean the sneeze of Saitama should blitz Garou at all.

It's a sneeze after all. Which Saitama vastly scales above his sneeze.

Especially if you think Garou was getting blitzed during the first half of the fight. That would prove Garou can percieve Saitamas power despite supposedly getting massively blitzed, but can't percieve his power when he's not getting blitzed. So either Garou couldn't have been getting blitzed or power and speed don't grow proportionally

Not only it's what i think, it is what's accepted as well, as the feat itself is very obvious.

Saitama blitzing him doesn't necessarily mean Garou won't be able to take action regardless of the situation.

Yeah exactly so just improving 1 stat doesn't instantly amp all. And Saitama here had no issues with Garous speed nor was he racing him. Instead his only struggle was that Garou was matching and tanking his blows.
So these stats CAN grow non-proportionally and Saitamas growth didn't need to increase his speed in this case.

Except we know it did increase, as Garou in the end coulnd't keep up even while he was copying. (at school rn, might have mistakes etc sry)

 

[FinePoint]

Blitz or not aside, it seems pretty clear to me narratively that they're getting faster in addition to stronger, so I'm fine with their speed scaling too.

Disagree on Boros. I don't think we can make that kind of assumption.

 

[MrTayman616]

Blitz or not aside, it seems pretty clear to me narratively that they're getting faster in addition to stronger, so I'm fine with their speed scaling too.

Disagree on Boros. I don't think we can make that kind of assumption.

It's not an assumption.(maybe it is, too sleepy to know :d)

It's just his physicals + his latent energy. His profile already has it as well

"At least Country level (Was considered strong by Saitama, making him stronger than Gouketsu, to whom Saitama couldn't answer whether he was strong or not), far higher with Energy Bullets (Releases more energy from his body than his normal attacks. Turned a large portion of his spaceship to dust) | At least Country level (Combines the power of his strikes with the latent energy used for energy bullets, allowing a single hit from this state to cause as much damage as the energy bullet from his previous form."

The latent energy is released from him is just as strong, if not stronger, than his energy bullets. Not just and but he physically attacks there as well. This should be acceptable.

 

[FinePoint]

It's just his physicals + his latent energy. His profile already has it as well

The latent energy is released from him is just as strong, if not stronger, than his energy bullets. Not just and but he physically attacks there as well. This should be acceptable.

I interpreted it as his latent energy being used for all of his attacks, not just his energy bullets.

 

[MrTayman616]

I interpreted it as his latent energy being used for all of his attacks, not just his energy bullets.

In Meteoric Burst. That's how much he releases with his attacks.

He doesn't do it like that in his other forms.

 

[FinePoint]

In Meteoric Burst. That's how much he releases with his attacks.

He doesn't do it like that in his other forms.

Well, regardless, I don't like the idea of just assigning 2x as if the two halves are exactly equal.

I believe we've had a similar conversation about OPM before. I'm not a fan of arbitrary multipliers.

 

[MrTayman616]

Well, regardless, I don't like the idea of just assigning 2x as if the two halves are exactly equal.

Oh, they are not equals.

His physicals scale to 6-B. His energy bullets scales to far higher. So the combination itself is AP>2x. He uses his latent energy as a booster and releases the same latent energy when he punches Saitama.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Qawsedf234]

This was brought up before by @Phoenks here. I still overall have the same issues then as I do now. To quote myself:

Alright, so to explain my mind change.

Speed is the hardest thing to really justify with a multiplier. That's because unlike other stats speed is something that has rather massive return on investment even with minor levels of boost. A 2x speed increase would be enough to completely overwhelm someone you were even with before, when that's not the same for any other stat. Let alone with even higher speed multipliers.

doesn't work historically

So here are Garou power growths:

• Half Monster: 1.760e+12 Joules -> 4.184e+17 joules (237,897x)
• Post-DS: 4.184e+17 joules -> 2.37651195e+28 Joules (56,799,998,804x)
• CF Garou: An initial boost of 4.2 Quadrillion to 37 Quintillion. After which he had another power boost after copying Saitama and then got 18.5x stronger with the graph

Saitama:

• Training: 12102517.8877 joules -> 4.184e+17 joules (34,571,318,454x) or 2.3806462e+28 Joules (1.967 Sextillion)
• Balding: 2.3806462e+28 Joules -> 1.8046204e+61 (758 Nonillion)

Now the above is for AP. Lets look at speed:

• Half Monster Garou: Mach 3550 -> Vaguely greater than Mach 3550
• Post-DS Garou: Vaguely greater than Mach 3550 -> Mach 3,784,549.9 (4.33c) (<1,066x)
• CF Garou: Mach 3,784,549.9 (4.33c) ->Mach 539,276,510 (617c) (142.49x)
• Training Saitama: 119.091515 m/s ->282,157,607.821 m/s (2,369,250x)
• Balding: 282,157,607.821 m/s -> 31,129,323,937.75 m/s (110.32x)

In other words its not even remotely close. Their speed has never been demonstrated as being 1:1 with their strength increase. In addition to the above, every single character with those ratings are going all out or trying their hardest to do something. There's no holding back shennigans like with other fights, as Saitama himself says he's not going to hold back against Garou.

If their speed increase was proportional Saitama should be 5.92338888966212e+47x FTL, when he never demonstrates that level of speed in the series.

Finally its not like this strength increase was special. It was just Saitama's AD and Garou's AD.

even within the fight.

Recon posted the following scan as evidence for the speed increase. But this does not show a proportional speed increase

• Scan 1 is Garou getting quicker, but not by a notable amount. In fact the afterimage blurs would suggest even something like a 3x speed increase would be to high
• Scan 2 is just saying he's getting faster, but that again does not mean a proportional speed increase. If it was, then Darkshine wouldn't be able to even react to Garou, since he went from being one shot to almost one shotting
• Scan 3-5: Showcases a speed increase, but again not a major one. Garou just covers a few meters before PS can move, but as said above that doesn't mean anything compared to their AP increase. Garou getting 2-3 times faster would be enough to do this feat

Overall while I do agree LS is probably effected, since strength is directly effected, there's no evidence for such a linear speed increase in my view. Garou and Saitama get faster, but they don't get trillions of times faster, which is what the OP is suggesting with the graph.

But I can see people asking "Why is speed so different?". Because as said before its about how much bang for your buck you get. To list some examples of what a 2x speed increase would be like:

• You would be clownishly superior in movement speed - Here's a very basic comparison of an adult vs an athlete in speed or for a clearer visual what a 1.45x speed difference looks like
• At half speed, barring stuff like AoE, you could likely never be hit. Think about this in a simple mechanical manner, for every two actions you can do your enemy can do as well. For every step they take, you can take two. For every punch they throw, you can throw two. You blink faster, you react faster, you move faster, etc. As an easily gameplay example, this is what a 6x speed increase does in game like Cyberpunk when played in real time. This is Raiden's movement when he is under a 10x speed increase
• This level of speed if it applies forward would again apply backwards in my view. While we don't have a hard number in their previous forms, we do know that they went from multi-continental to destroying sections of a galaxy. Their speed increasing by that amount doesn't jive with what we have.

So list me as disagree, this would just retroactively make the series make less sense imo.

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If you're suggesting that it should only be the graph increasing their speed, maybe I'd back it. But this is just a standard power up with their AD powers. The only difference is that its happening faster in this fight for Saitama because of an emotional trigger.

Overall, I just don't think they got 18x / 50x faster because it would imply far greater tiers of speed in my view. It also quickly spirals out of control with any degree of power increase. It's why the 2x a day strength increase was rejected and speed is a far stricter threshold to cross than AP.

 

[MrTayman616]

So here are Garou power growths:

• Half Monster: 1.760e+12 Joules -> 4.184e+17 joules (237,897x)
• Post-DS: 4.184e+17 joules -> 2.37651195e+28 Joules (56,799,998,804x)
• CF Garou: An initial boost of 4.2 Quadrillion to 37 Quintillion. After which he had another power boost after copying Saitama and then got 18.5x stronger with the graph

Saitama:

• Training: 12102517.8877 joules -> 4.184e+17 joules (34,571,318,454x) or 2.3806462e+28 Joules (1.967 Sextillion)
• Balding: 2.3806462e+28 Joules -> 1.8046204e+61 (758 Nonillion)

Now the above is for AP. Lets look at speed:

• Half Monster Garou: Mach 3550 -> Vaguely greater than Mach 3550
• Post-DS Garou: Vaguely greater than Mach 3550 -> Mach 3,784,549.9 (4.33c) (<1,066x)
• CF Garou: Mach 3,784,549.9 (4.33c) ->Mach 539,276,510 (617c) (142.49x)
• Training Saitama: 119.091515 m/s ->282,157,607.821 m/s (2,369,250x)
• Balding: 282,157,607.821 m/s -> 31,129,323,937.75 m/s (110.32x)

This ignores a few thing. It includes any type of getting stronger as growth and ignores RE. (Also just lacking calculation, like SP^2 travelling galactic distances)

I'm not arguing that with every strength increase comes equal speed increase.

Like Cosmic Fear Mode, Garou got stronger via divine energy, doesn't mean it will affect his speed. He replicates GRB which scales to his AP but no reason for speed etc. It's not shown to be that type of boost. Not any type of physical boost would apply for it.

And RE where it causes evolution of some instances unequally, like Garou's monster form(increasing durability). Or against his battle against Saitama while he was a monster and instances where he evolved in different ways biologically etc.

This just applies to Saitama&Garou fight (+ a few more instances) where no biological change or anything happens. Where the enemies are equal so the increase is also the same.

Scan 1 is Garou getting quicker, but not by a notable amount. In fact the afterimage blurs would suggest even something like a 3x speed increase would be to high

Not sure if it would be 3x increase.

Scan 2 is just saying he's getting faster, but that again does not mean a proportional speed increase. If it was, then Darkshine wouldn't be able to even react to Garou, since he went from being one shot to almost one shotting

Garou didn't get around one shot level iirc, but he consistently outspeed and blitz him before reaching the end of the fight. Darkshine realizes that he gets faster increasingly, but only later realizes that he's getting stronger.

Which implies his speed grows more noticeable.

Garou was seemingly slower than a not full power Darkshine at first as well.

Scan 3-5: Showcases a speed increase, but again not a major one. Garou just covers a few meters before PS can move, but as said above that doesn't mean anything compared to their AP increase. Garou getting 2-3 times faster would be enough to do this feat

It would be way bigger. Garou moves like 40 meters before Platinum Sperm shows movement.

If you're suggesting that it should only be the graph increasing their speed, maybe I'd back it. But this is just a standard power up with their AD powers. The only difference is that its happening faster in this fight for Saitama because of an emotional trigger.

Yes, only the known multiplier (+ instances where he's stated or shown to grow significantly in speed which lacks value anyway :d). All instances doesn't work as it is a case of RE.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

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What do you think of the Boros thing?

 

[MrTayman616]

It's why the 2x a day strength increase was rejected

 

[MrTayman616]

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Could you give your opinion on these please?

This ignores a few thing. It includes any type of getting stronger as growth and ignores RE. (Also just lacking calculation, like SP^2 travelling galactic distances)

I'm not arguing that with every strength increase comes equal speed increase.

Like Cosmic Fear Mode, Garou got stronger via divine energy, doesn't mean it will affect his speed. He replicates GRB which scales to his AP but no reason for speed etc. It's not shown to be that type of boost. Not any type of physical boost would apply for it.

And RE where it causes evolution of some instances unequally, like Garou's monster form(increasing durability). Or against his battle against Saitama while he was a monster and instances where he evolved in different ways biologically etc.

This just applies to Saitama&Garou fight (+ a few more instances) where no biological change or anything happens. Where the enemies are equal so the increase is also the same.

Not sure if it would be 3x increase.

Garou didn't get around one shot level iirc, but he consistently outspeed and blitz him before reaching the end of the fight. Darkshine realizes that he gets faster increasingly, but only later realizes that he's getting stronger.

Which implies his speed grows more noticeable.

Garou was seemingly slower than a not full power Darkshine at first as well.

It would be way bigger. Garou moves like 40 meters before Platinum Sperm shows movement.

Yes, only the known multiplier (+ instances where he's stated or shown to grow significantly in speed). All instances doesn't work as it is a case of RE.

What do you think of the Boros thing?

 

[EnderLord8]

following

 

[Raiden38]

I'm afraid it will end up like some opm threads...

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I just want this Boros issue cleared up since its super blatant yet wasn't slapped on the profile initially despite the justification not needing to change.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[MrTayman616]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think of the Boros thing?

I guess I'm not against it in principal for the 2x increase, but the points raised against it are generally pretty valid. So for now I'm not for the 2x multiplier.

 

[MrTayman616]

This ignores a few thing. It includes any type of getting stronger as growth and ignores RE. (Also just lacking calculation, like SP^2 travelling galactic distances)

I'm not arguing that with every strength increase comes equal speed increase.

Like Cosmic Fear Mode, Garou got stronger via divine energy, doesn't mean it will affect his speed. He replicates GRB which scales to his AP but no reason for speed etc. It's not shown to be that type of boost. Not any type of physical boost would apply for it.

And RE where it causes evolution of some instances unequally, like Garou's monster form(increasing durability). Or against his battle against Saitama while he was a monster and instances where he evolved in different ways biologically etc.

This just applies to Saitama&Garou fight (+ a few more instances) where no biological change or anything happens. Where the enemies are equal so the increase is also the same.

Not sure if it would be 3x increase.

Garou didn't get around one shot level iirc, but he consistently outspeed and blitz him before reaching the end of the fight. Darkshine realizes that he gets faster increasingly, but only later realizes that he's getting stronger.

Which implies his speed grows more noticeable.

Garou was seemingly slower than a not full power Darkshine at first as well.

It would be way bigger. Garou moves like 40 meters before Platinum Sperm shows movement.

Yes, only the known multiplier (+ instances where he's stated or shown to grow significantly in speed which lacks value anyway :d). All instances doesn't work as it is a case of RE.

I guess I'm not against it in principal for the 2x increase, but the points raised against it are generally pretty valid. So for now I'm not for the 2x multiplier.

Could you also tell your opinion on this please

 

[Qawsedf234]

Could

My opinion hasn't changed. Them getting faster isn't the same as a 1:1 speed increase.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Bump.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[Raiden38]

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[Apex_Predator_GX]

Bump.

 

[MrTayman616]

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