OPM Saitama and Limiter additions

[MrTayman616]

This is a thread to add some abilities and resistances to Saitama and to the Willpower&Limiter page.

Saitama:

1. Saitama should have Superhuman Precision, he was capable of jumping from Earth to Moon, to the exact location he was before perfectly.

2. Saitama should have resistance against Shockwave Generation & Durability Negation since he's completely unaffected by Garou's Fist of Whirling Wind which negates durability via shockwaves. They are on a similar power level here, it should be fine to add this.

3. Another Resistance to Emphatic Manipulation and Poison Manipulation for Saitama as he defeated Three-Eyed-Ghost who's poisonous air/toxic aura makes people's consciousness dazed and causes people to attempt suicide. He attacks with his punches, so he should have gotten close to the point of physical interaction.

4. Possibly Resistance to Soul Manipulation,Corruption as Phoenix Man who can corrupt souls believed getting his hands on Saitama would be dangerous in his own spiritual space.

5. Resistance (Or Possibly Resistance) to Gravity Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation as he's above Garou who can survive at the center of a Black Hole, which Garou who can create a black hole believed the only way for him to win was to copy Saitama's full power. Garou was capable of seeing the depths of Saitama's power(strength,speed,durability etc.) as well so he should be reliable to use.

Willpower and Limiter:

6. Both Garou (who broke his limiter or broke many walls of the limiter) and Phoenix Man (who evolved by overcoming death) has shown reactive evolution based on overcoming death and they have it in their profile. Not just that but the abilities Saitama has is beyond physical ability which we know he was only a normal human before removing his limiter, meaning he gained those abilites . Removing the Limiter and overcoming death should come with Reactive Evolution for the user.
Edit:
Garou while fighting Rover, overcame Death and became capable of resisting his heat energy attacks that were originally capable of kill him and Orochi's fire beams, He gained the ability to resist psychic ability which we can see is based on Limiter as the flow we see on Garou indicates him breaking a wall of his limiter. At the end of the battle, he evolved again and gained to ability to regenerate via absorbing black matter, an ability he needed at that moment as Orochi had stabbed a hole in him there.

Phoenix Man who overcame death had gained a level of strength massive compared to before and gained abilities that is beyond physical ability. Which Phoenix Man also comments on how Gyoro was right about the affect of overcoming death in Limiter when he overcomes death.

7. Resistance to Power Nullification(Body,Spirit) as not only physical abilities, even Saitama's spirit was capable of doing things it shouldn't be able to, meaning Limiter also limits the growth in a spiritual way as well. (It's Power Nullification as far as i know)

8. An extra for ninjas : Resistance for Electricity Manipulation as Gale wind and Hellfire's corpses were capable of surviving a gigavolt of electricity and seemingly didn't suffer any damage while every other corpse exploded. (Possibly every ninja from the same village who are superior to them should have this)

 

[darkphantom9805]

Where’s space time manipulation for literally punching through the time stream

 

[Phsccarvalho]

2. Saitama should have resistance against Shockwave Generation & Durability Negation since he's completely unaffected by Garou's Fist of Whirling Wind which negates durability via shockwaves. They are on a similar power level here, it should be fine to add this.

Saitama already had this and it was removed because he was simply internally durable.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Saitama should have resistance against Shockwave Generation & Durability Negation since he's completely unaffected by Garou's Fist of Whirling Wind which negates durability via shockwaves. They are on a similar power level here, it should be fine to add this.

We've gone over this so many times. This is not resistance to anything. Saitama is 4-A and Garou is High 6-A+ at best.

Attacking internal organs only work up to a certain point. We don't treat internal organs as being just as weak as a normal humans. Saitama is just far too durable. Garou himself even points it out. His attack worked fine on Saitama and traveled through his body, he's just too tough for it to hurt him.

In order for you to get resistance, you'd need to take less damage than you normal, and it cannot be the result of sheer durability.

For example, if Garou was equal to Saitama and could harm him with his own strikes, but couldn't hurt him by attacking his organs, that would be considered resistance. Since his ability to survive that attack clearly isn't because he's more durable, as he was injured with normal strikes.

Saitama is 7.3722762e34x stronger than Garou.

For context, the KE of a mosquito is 0.000000449651 Joules. The gap between Garou and Saitama during this fight is the same gap as a mosquito and High 6-A.

Garou's could have direct access to Saitama's organs and wouldn't be able to damage them no matter what.

 

[MrTayman616]

Saitama already had this and it was removed because he was simply internally durable.

We've gone over this so many times. This is not resistance to anything. Saitama is 4-A and Garou is High 6-A+ at best.

Attacking internal organs only work up to a certain point. We don't treat internal organs as being just as weak as a normal humans. Saitama is just far too durable. Garou himself even points it out. His attack worked fine on Saitama and traveled through his body, he's just too tough for it to hurt him.

In order for you to get resistance, you'd need to take less damage than you normal, and it cannot be the result of sheer durability.

For example, if Garou was equal to Saitama and could harm him with his own strikes, but couldn't hurt him by attacking his organs, that would be considered resistance. Since his ability to survive that attack clearly isn't because he's more durable, as he was injured with normal strikes.

Saitama is 7.3722762e34x stronger than Garou.

For context, the KE of a mosquito is 0.000000449651 Joules. The gap between Garou and Saitama during this fight is the same gap as a mosquito and High 6-A.

Garou's could have direct access to Saitama's organs and wouldn't be able to damage them no matter what.

That's why i used the scene where Cosmic Fear Garou uses it which he was nearly his equal? Not the extremely inferior Garou who couldn't hurt him because of his insides being so durable and his AP was too low for him to hurt his insides because of it.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

That's why i used the scene where Cosmic Fear Garou uses it which he was nearly his equal? Not the extremely inferior Garou who couldn't hurt him because of his insides being so durable and his AP was too low for him to hurt his insides because of it.

This Garou couldn't even make Saitama bleed, so I highly doubt it.

 

[MrTayman616]

This Garou couldn't even make Saitama bleed, so I highly doubt it.

We accept Cosmic Fear Garou who hit Saitama with Consecutive Normal Punches was capable of scratching him. And this moment is after Garou copies a serious Saitama. Their stats isn't that far off. Garou tanked so many attacks without bleeding as well.

Resistance is usable here

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

7. Resistance to Power Nullification(Body,Spirit) as not only physical abilities, even Saitama's spirit was capable of doing things it shouldn't be able to, meaning Limiter also limits the growth in a spiritual way as well. (It's Power Nullification as far as i know)

I don't understand why this is supposed to be a resistance?

 

[MrTayman616]

I don't understand why this is supposed to be a resistance?

Limiter is created by God that limits people in a range. being able to remive it would be overcoming it, no?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

We accept Cosmic Fear Garou who hit Saitama with Consecutive Normal Punches was capable of scratching him. And this moment is after Garou copies a serious Saitama. Their stats isn't that far off. Garou tanked so many attacks without bleeding as well.

Resistance is usable here

When Garou first used Fa Jin, the character said, as far as I remember, that the attack actually worked, and that Saitama was simply as durable on the inside as he was on the outside. If Garou can only scratch Saitama at most without drawing a drop of blood, he wouldn't do anything to the inside of it.

Furthermore, there is no resistance to durability negation, but only to the method used to achieve it. In this case, it would only be resistance to shock waves.

 

[darkphantom9805]

We accept Cosmic Fear Garou who hit Saitama with Consecutive Normal Punches was capable of scratching him. And this moment is after Garou copies a serious Saitama. Their stats isn't that far off. Garou tanked so many attacks without bleeding as well.

Resistance is usable here

that’s wrong tho he has no scratch on his body at all and that doesn’t even make sense in the first place because if he was scratched then when garou copied his serious punch Saitama would’ve been bleeding at least once during the fight yet he receives absolutely no damage and never mentions damage of any kind on the entire IO fight

Also Saitama durability is massively above his attack power even if their stats weren’t far off the only one actually injured during the fight was garou

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Limiter is created by God that limits people in a range. being able to remive it would be overcoming it, no?

True, it's just I fail to see why it's an ability/resistance, since one can make an argument that all creatures have a "limit". It seems much more like a "design" or whatever you wanna call it that sets a ceiling for the strength and abilities of a race, rather than a form of "passive power null".

So my argument/question is what makes this different from a normal creature going beyond the limits of their body?

 

[MrTayman616]

When Garou first used Fa Jin, the character said, as far as I remember, that the attack actually worked, and that Saitama was simply as durable on the inside as he was on the outside. If Garou can only scratch Saitama at most without drawing a drop of blood, he wouldn't do anything to the inside of it.

Furthermore, there is no resistance to durability negation, but only to the method used to achieve it. In this case, it would only be resistance to shock waves.

That wasn't actually said but it is what we interpet from Garou's attack.

There is resistance for durability negation, it just isn't universal resistance. That's why i have written them together as well.

 

[MrTayman616]

that’s wrong tho he has no scratch on his body at all and that doesn’t even make sense in the first place because if he was scratched then when garou copied his serious punch Saitama would’ve been bleeding at least once during the fight yet he receives absolutely no damage and never mentions damage of any kind on the entire IO fight

He outgrew Garou later on. Make a crt if you believe Saitama didn't take any type of damage at all. It is accepted as he took damage.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

That wasn't actually said but it is what we interpet from Garou's attack.

There is resistance for durability negation, it just isn't universal resistance. That's why i have written them together as well.

It is literally said that the blow went through him and that it had no effect because he is simply durable.

And the resistance to durability denial, as not only DDM but other staff members said, does not work like that.

 

[darkphantom9805]

He outgrew Garou later on. Make a crt if you believe Saitama didn't take any type of damage at all. It is accepted as he took damage.

later on not instantly he has 0 scratches on his body and despite trading blows back and fourth 0 blood

We literally know what it looks like when Saitama gets injured during his dream fight if he was injured Murata would’ve shown that

 

[MrTayman616]

True, it's just I fail to see why it's an ability/resistance, since one can make an argument that all creatures have a "limit". It seems much more like a "design" or whatever you wanna call it that sets a ceiling for the strength and abilities of a race, rather than a form of "passive power null".

So my argument/question is what makes this different from a normal creature going beyond the limits of their body?

Oh, sry i misunderstood your question then.

It is a mechanism that limits on purpose, that's why i added it. I was hesitating about it as well, it might be wrong.

 

[MrTayman616]

It is literally said that the blow went through him and that it had no effect because he is simply durable.

The force transferred because he was more durable than the thing BEHIND him. Also that moment wasn't a dur neg attack, no? no fajin or any statement there.

 

[MrTayman616]

later on not instantly he has 0 scratches on his body and despite trading blows back and fourth 0 blood

We literally know what it looks like when Saitama gets injured during his dream fight if he was injured Murata would’ve shown that

Those arguments were made before if irrc. It's not my claim, i'm doing based on what is accepted in the wiki profile.

It would require another crt.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

It is a mechanism that limits on purpose, that's why i added it. I was hesitating about it as well, it might be wrong.

Is it something specifically for Humans? All creatures? Or all races? Since I am also very unsure about it for reasons that I explained already.

 

[MrTayman616]

Is it something specifically for Humans? All creatures? Or all races? Since I am also very unsure about it for reasons that I explained already.

All beings. Even the ones that were created by humans like Genus.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The force transferred because he was more durable than the thing BEHIND him. Also that moment wasn't a dur neg attack, no? no fajin or any statement there.

It is literally said that the attack penetrated him. What Garou meant to say is that Saitama is more resistant than the mountain because the attack that Garou made destroyed the mountain but not Saitama himself who was pierced by the impact of the attack, that is why Garou said that he was more resistant than a mountain.

Nothing was transferred, but rather that Saitama was not destroyed by the attack and the mountain was, then Garou says right after that Saitama is more resistant than the mountain.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

All beings. Even the ones that were created by humans like Genus.

I looked into the page, and it seems to be a form of "Safety net" placed on all beings, preventing them from going insane, and I can only interpret it as dying.

And it seems you break through it by almost dying or extreme effort.

So yeah, I am pretty confident it's not a resistance to Power null or even Power null to begin with, and instead seems the closest to statistic reduction. With the ability being something like this.

*Statisitc Reductiuction (God gave all beings a limiter to prevent them from going insane and dying)

And for people overcoming it

*Resistance to Statisitc Reductiuction (People that have overcome the limits placed by God to keep them sane and alive.)

Note - something along the lines of "Statistic Sealing" may also work


Edit - I messed the grammar up badly and tried to fix it.

 

[MrTayman616]

It is literally said that the attack penetrated him. What Garou meant to say is that Saitama is more resistant than the mountain because the attack that Garou made destroyed the mountain but not Saitama himself who was pierced by the impact of the attack, that is why Garou said that he was more resistant than a mountain.

Nothing was transferred, but rather that Saitama was not destroyed by the attack and the mountain was, then Garou says right after that Saitama is more resistant than the mountain.

...And? That isn't the same move or a relevant move for that. An attack from an vastly inferior Garou didn't hurt Saitama but destroyed the mountain behind him. A strong attack but not shockwave dur neg etc.

 

[MrTayman616]

I looked into the page, and it seems to be a form of "Safety net" placed on all beings, preventing them from going insane, and I can only interpret it as dying.

And it seems you break through it by almost dying or extreme effort.

So yeah, I am pretty confident it's not a resistance to Power null or even Power null to begin with, and instead seems the closest to statistic reduction. With the ability being something like this.

And for people overcoming it

Note - something along the lines of "Statistic Sealing" may also work

Statistic sealing or reduction seems better yes.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

...And? That isn't the same move or a relevant move for that. An attack from an vastly inferior Garou didn't hurt Saitama but destroyed the mountain behind him. A strong attack but not shockwave dur neg etc.

This was literally a durability negation attack. The attack penetrated Saitama's body, causing nothing to happen to him and destroying the mountain. And then Garou says that this happened because he's simply so durable.

 

[MrTayman616]

This was literally a durability negation attack. The attack penetrated Saitama's body, causing nothing to happen to him and destroying the mountain. And then Garou says that this happened because he's simply so durable.

A vastly weaker Garou which Saitama is too durable for him there. This moment doesn't even matter to the moment i sent where they are pretty much equal.

Also i really don't remember that one being dur neg. not that it matters for the one i sent

 

[Phsccarvalho]

A vastly weaker Garou which Saitama is too durable for him there. This moment doesn't even matter to the moment i sent where they are pretty much equal.

Also i really don't remember that one being dur neg. not that it matters for the one i sent

The attack is Dura Neg, since you know, the attack penetrated and passed through Saitama's interior to reach the mountain behind. This shows that Saitama's organs are simply as durable as he is. So a future Garou who can't even scratch Saitama enough to make him bleed won't do anything to his internals.

 

[Farfetchedx]

We've gone over this so many times. This is not resistance to anything. Saitama is 4-A and Garou is High 6-A+ at best.

Attacking internal organs only work up to a certain point. We don't treat internal organs as being just as weak as a normal humans. Saitama is just far too durable. Garou himself even points it out. His attack worked fine on Saitama and traveled through his body, he's just too tough for it to hurt him.

You're talking about the wrong moment. The moment the OP is referring to happens during the fight between Cosmic Garou and Saitama, as Garou never used the Fist of Whirlwind against Saitama before.

In order for you to get resistance, you'd need to take less damage than you normal, and it cannot be the result of sheer durability.

For example, if Garou was equal to Saitama and could harm him with his own strikes, but couldn't hurt him by attacking his organs, that would be considered resistance. Since his ability to survive that attack clearly isn't because he's more durable, as he was injured with normal strikes.

Well, according to the wiki, Cosmic Garou damaged Saitama despite a 149x disadvantage, meaning that a Garou equal to him should've been more than capable of damaging his internals.

 

[MrTayman616]

The attack is Dura Neg, since you know, the attack penetrated and passed through Saitama's interior to reach the mountain behind. This shows that Saitama's organs are simply as durable as he is. So a future Garou who can't even scratch Saitama enough to make him bleed won't do anything to his internals.

It's literally accepted that he was able to scratch him as well you know? Saitama was too durable for a bug level dur neg compared to him means nothing here.

Garou is comparable to him who damaged him as well.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's literally accepted that he was able to scratch him as well you know? Saitama was too durable for a bug level dur neg compared to him means nothing here.

Garou is comparable to him who damaged him as well.

Do you know what the word scratch means? I'll get you a dictionary. "to cut or damage a surface or your skin slightly with or on something sharp or rough:" To SLIGHTLY damage the SURFACE. This is not significant enough damage to warrant resistance.

 

[MrTayman616]

Do you know what the word scratch means? I'll get you a dictionary. "to cut or damage a surface or your skin slightly with or on something sharp or rough:" To SLIGHTLY damage the SURFACE. This is not significant enough damage to warrant resistance.

This was from a version where he copied a casual Saitama, not his full power. The Garou i sent fully scales to full power Saitama.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

This was from a version where he copied a casual Saitama, not his full power. The Garou i sent fully scales to full power Saitama.

So show me a scene where the two are on equal terms and Garou used blows strong enough to cause damage that is not light on the surface, then I would agree that what he caused externally he can cause internally, and then Saitama would have resisted. But so far you have only shown moments where Garou used attacks with little significant damage to justify internal resistance.

 

[MrTayman616]

So show me a scene where the two are on equal terms and Garou used blows strong enough to cause damage that is not light on the surface, then I would agree that what he caused externally he can cause internally, and then Saitama would have resisted. But so far you have only shown moments where Garou used attacks with little significant damage to justify internal resistance.

Because this ability is shown to work against those on similar level to the point of one shot.

I'm going to sleep. 5 hours left for school. Gn

 

[Tural2004]

Agree2all

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Statistic sealing or reduction seems better yes.

Are you gonna update the 7th Proposal?

 

[Engine]

Who the heck removed the durability negation resistance in the first place? Like pick up the whole scenario and not just nitpick alone to justify someone's feat. They ignored the part that his fajin attack penetrates to Saitama's internal body or shockwaves passes through it resulting the objects behind getting dusted.

 

[Engine]

Point 4 needs a performed feat not just based assumptions
Point 5 please provide justification for space-time manipulation

agree wit everything else

 

[MrTayman616]

Point 4 needs a performed feat not just based assumptions
Point 5 please provide justification for space-time manipulation

agree wit everything else

Point 5 is that it is the center of the black hole where space-time is distorted and distance loses it's meaning as every direction goes to the same place etc. making it impossible to leave. Garou survived inside the black hole as well which is enough for resistance to Space-Time manipulation.

 

[MrTayman616]

I looked into the page, and it seems to be a form of "Safety net" placed on all beings, preventing them from going insane, and I can only interpret it as dying.

And it seems you break through it by almost dying or extreme effort.

So yeah, I am pretty confident it's not a resistance to Power null or even Power null to begin with, and instead seems the closest to statistic reduction. With the ability being something like this.

And for people overcoming it

Note - something along the lines of "Statistic Sealing" may also work


Edit - I messed the grammar up badly and tried to fix it.

Though it's seemingly for raw stats. Limiter stops a growth that is beyond physical ability.