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Cuz it's true fr :d. There are statemets, an alive case, feats.
1 neutral, 3 disagree rn (will change to 3 agree and 1disagree later)
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OPM Saitama Multiplier
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1 neutral, 3 disagree rn (will change to 3 agree and 1disagree later)
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I respect the confidence.
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Thanks. Could also check the other two thread while i check the every page of the manga
:dI wish all of them weren't at the same time though lmao
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Btw, saying the rate might be slower at some times... based on what? do we have anything like that ever shown? or any reason to believe at all?
While we have Garou who has statements, feats etc.? There are many reasoning for it to get faster while i don't think there is even one legit for Saitama.
(might have missed in case someone said it before, sry in that case, using phone)
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Can you guys please your disagreement reasons in a single message please?
I'm in school rn, will try to answer all of them when i'm at home
I'm in school rn, will try to answer all of them when i'm at home
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I mean the thing with the disagreements is that no one is budging. It's why FinePoint said to count the votes, because we've reached a impass in how to interpret the situation.
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I can't even see the logic behind them though. I'm just trying to understand. (might be useful for later as well etc.)
Can't be applied to anything before VGS as we know the growth rate gets faster. Aka not usable before VGS.
Don't even know why "what if his growth rate got slower" would even make sense, we have watched Garou entirely, his growth rate got faster and faster, both visibly and stated by him. That is a very big "what if it gets slower some day" that can be applied for anything. Also doesn't make sense from everything we know from limiter as well.
Every statement is in-universe, consistent with values and tiers.
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Saitama strength increases are unknown. We know vaguely that he gets stronger, but by the MA Arc Saitama directly tells King that he's not any stronger, meaning even Saitama doesn't think he's getting any better by a measurable degree.
So if the growth rate is inconsistent then giving him an exponential power increase isn't warranted in my view (and we're not getting into multiplier stacks either). Overall I just disagree with your points. They feel arbitrary, the increase is based on a flawed application of Garou's martial arts and the increase has no numerical backing in-universe
He gets stronger but we dont know by how much and nothing you said has swayed me in that view.
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This is wrong in many way in my opinion (the first line). It's Saitama's lack of understanding. as well as everyone else who's under his strength. He believes he stopped growing as a whole.
Which isn't the case as stated by the narrator + we literally know he grows faster than Garou. Or the fact that he grows enough to one shot himself of yesterday.
The rate isn't inconsistent or anything. Insane growth feats from Garou and that he grows enough to one shot in a day, as well as being consistent with the values of the verse, the value "2x" doesn't cause inconsistency based on these.
Not sure why Garou's martial art would be flawed application here, but the graph is legit. It doesn't need numbers in corner for someone to see if the difference is 2x as there are lines with equal distance that makes the difference obvious. The graph is canon, accepted as a multiplier, and even the raws state the existance of "growth line" which shows it and not inconsistent or anything. It's completely usable.
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This is the same character who understands that he could one shot himself. He understands himself reasonably well and his statement in the VGS is being used as a core piece of evidence.
There's no hard backing for that number in particular, which is why I disagree with it.
You're misunderstanding Garou's part in the graph. He literally cant keep up with Saitama and is copying him every time they punch. The issue is that Saitama's growth outstrip Garou's copying that he starts to progressively one shot Garou everytime the next punch is thrown.
This is not Garou's natural growth rate. He's stopped growing by the graph and hes only getting stronger through copying.
The graph shows that Saitama was at a near plateau before the fight ever took place. If anything it debunks a 2x number because Sairama's line never hit over 2x until Genos was killed.
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That is not true and makes little of Garou's copy.
Garou copies and refines over and over. Which is the same exact reason he states "soon, you won't be able to keep up with the copy". He uses his growth and copying together.
Not just that, when Garou copied him at Serious Punch^2, His growth didn't help him to surpass Saitama in IO even though they were equals at the start. Saitama completely dominated him. So he started to copy and refine endlessly, but still failed. (before he started copying over and over at the start of chapter 168)
That graph starts after Garou starts to copy Saitama continously, at the end of chapter 167. Not the entire fight from Earth to IO.
Not just that but that graph literally shows like less than one second there while the argument itself is 2x a day. It would look like a straight line (not that it matters since it starts after Garou starts copying over and over)
The graph is enough to see 2x. Same for the martial art, one shot capability statements based on growth, the same Saitama vs Saitama fight.
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He once indirectly implied that his future self could beat his present self since he's constantly getting stronger/moving forward, which I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet.
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He did it in VGS as well. Not just that but he one shotted himself, no?
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Well, even if he was only 1% stronger the him of tomorrow should theoretically beat the him of yesterday.
I believe he's just saying he is constantly growing, which is not what's under question- that is obvious.
What's being continuously rejected in this thread is the notion that he must be growing specifically at least 2x stronger every day.
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I don't understand the reasoning for why though.
We know the rate goes faster, we know to which days this value applies (only affects like 7 to 14 days of growth, somewhere between). We have multiplier statements, one shot statements (which is also stated to be based on the growth), in a fight that are Saitama vs Saitama in both fights.
I can't even see the logic behind them though. I'm just trying to understand. (might be useful for later as well etc.)
It's clear his day of growth > his fight against Garou where he's stated to not grow enough to one shot himself while VGS Saitama is stated to grow enough to one shot himself. which we have the values for the first ones.
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I already tried to explain it to you clearly, but I suppose I will try one more time to simplify it since you are being respectful about it.
It is true that we do not have explicit evidence his rate of growth slowed down.
We also don't have explicit evidence it didn't, and don't have explicit evidence it always sped up.
Garou's exponential rate of growth reflects Saitama's when he was early in his journey.
It's clear that when they both started pushing past their limiter, it was exponential.
We do not have explicit evidence that this trend continued forever.
We do have evidence that their rate of growth can change since it spiked due to emotion in the Awakened Garou fight.
So essentially, while we have hints towards what his growth may have been like, we have no actual proof of the rate overtime, except for early on, which we can't extrapolate forever due to the rules of statistics.
Therefore, we essentially don't know the exact rate.
Since we don't know for sure, we can't assign an arbitrary number such as 2x.
We can, however, safely say that he grows stronger constantly. That is fine to list.
To claim it's exactly 2x per day is an assumption we simply can't make without far more evidence.
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Thanks for the kindness
So it makes it more acceptable if i can prove the base(not boosed by emotions) growth rate from breaking the limiter wouldn't change like that?
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Why weren't the votes counted?
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I did count everything in other posts iirc. Just didn't edit the first post (I had forgotten that it was even there, never put it usually so d
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The votes are 0-4 against it. If you dont count DDM's iffy comment as enough it's 0-3 against it. The proposal is rejected at the moment of writing this comment.
