One-Punch Man - Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon and Saitama upgrade ?

[KLOL506]

DT is not a GMC anymore. If you consider him as one, then so I am and anyone with a little bit of calculations knowledge.

• (You only need 3 accepted calculation to become GMC, as well as being an active member. If I'll give all the calculations were I help members in the comments by basically re-making their whole thing. I already would be one)

DUDE.

He might not be a GMC truck manufactured by General Motors in Detroit, but he's still a head honcho consultant who is a bureaucrat now and has assisted in some big-level revisions on the wiki even upto this day. Also, retired calc group members are still allowed to give evaluations solely via being former staff.

Now, if you want to know what really is a GMC, however, here you go.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I mean for the temperature calc I still don't know if it work of nah
Damage said it couldn't be done, but I don't know WHY it couldn't be done, he didn't give any explanation.

For the temperature increase we would be working with a gigantic fireball and enormous heatwave.

Sure, the heatwave wouldn't be able to propagate around all of Earth's surface in an instant but you can say that I "kinda" calculated the total amount of energy CSRC would have done with a total unknown amount of time.

For example, if we use the Tsar Bomba (57 Mt), it's fireball expanded 8 km in 0.00033 s.

• That's : 24,000,000 m/s or 8% the speed of light.
• Earth's surface area is 510,072,000 km².
• Earth's Circumference : 40075.017 km
• That would be : 1.188 s for CSRC to cover Earth's surface.

So the energy per second would be :

• 2.972e+33 J / 1.188 s = 2.502e+33 watts (or J/s) = 597.91 Zettatons/s or 2.501 XkW.s (Tenakilowatts/s). Still 5-B.

Except the temperature you are using is for the hottest part of an atomic bomb, that’s the only part that is that hot the bulk of the atomic blast leaves are no where near 100 degrees, you can’t assume such temperature for something you calced to be similar to Tsar bomb

And if you don’t understand what I’m saying, Only the core of the bomb immediately after the explosion reaches that 100,000,000 temperature and nothing else.
The fireball immediately after detonation records this temp but it growing causes a sharp drop in the temperature. This growth is accompanied by a decrease in temperature because of the accompanying increase in mass. At the same time the fireball rises, like a hot-air balloon.
In fact after some tens of seconds the temperature becomes so cool and there will be no visible signs of radiation or heat.
And the time you are using in your calc is wrong like I said earlier the blast wave of the Tsar bomb took more than 36hrs to circle the earth.
Like the science of your calculation is just all wrong.
And that’s even assuming Boros CRSC would have behaved anyway like an atomic Bomb and even when you claim it does, the science you used was wanked and in no way what an atomic bomb would have worked.
I should type out the things you should change but I will wait for CGM to do that but if they don’t more work for me I guess.

(You only need 3 accepted calculation to become GMC, as well as being an active member. If I'll give all the calculations were I help members in the comments by basically re-making their whole thing. I already would be one)

What?? DT is not what??
Lol he is at least one of the top CGM on this wiki, retired or not his point always counts

Time for you to take your pills ma'am.

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[UeTa]

DUDE.

He might not be a GMC truck manufactured by General Motors in Detroit, but he's still a head honcho consultant who is a bureaucrat now and has assisted in some big-level revisions on the wiki even upto this day. Also, retired calc group members are still allowed to give evaluations solely via being former staff.

Now, if you want to know what really is a GMC, however, here you go.

(They are ugly cars?)

 

[KLOL506]

(They are ugly cars?)

Careful my fellow person, you're treading on thin ice calling pickup trucks ugly

 

[UeTa]

Except the temperature you are using is for the hottest part of an atomic bomb, that’s the only part that is that hot the bulk of the atomic blast leaves are no where near 100 degrees, you can’t assume such temperature for something you calced to be similar to Tsar bomb

And if you don’t understand what I’m saying, Only the core of the bomb immediately after the explosion reaches that 100,000,000 temperature and nothing else.
The fireball immediately after detonation records this temp but it growing causes a sharp drop in the temperature. This growth is accompanied by a decrease in temperature because of the accompanying increase in mass. At the same time the fireball rises, like a hot-air balloon.
In fact after some tens of seconds the temperature becomes so cool and there will be no visible signs of radiation or heat.
And the time you are using in your calc is wrong like I said earlier the blast wave of the Tsar bomb took more than 36hrs to circle the earth.
Like the science of your calculation is just all wrong.
And that’s even assuming Boros CRSC would have behaved anyway like an atomic Bomb and even when you claim it does, the science you used was wanked and in no way what an atomic bomb would have worked.
I should type out the things you should change but I will wait for CGM to do that but if they don’t more work for me I guess.

Bruh, it can grow 8 km with a temp of 100,000,000 °C.

I think we can easily assume that Boros energy blast fireball have or at least its heatwave (peak heat radiation) able to do the same before it is extinguished. (But on a planetary scale).

Just read the thread and the articles linked.

 

[UeTa]

Careful my fellow person, you're treading on thin ice calling pickup trucks ugly

I mean, if you ask me between $10,000 or the ability to drive cars again, but only those types of cars. I would choose the $10,000.

 

[KLOL506]

I mean, if you ask me between $10,000 or the ability to drive cars again, but only those types of cars. I would choose the $10,000.

Way to talk smack about a rare production movie set car that has real off-roading and daily-driving capabilities I suppose

 

[UeTa]

Way to talk smack about a rare production movie set car that has real off-roading and daily-driving capabilities I suppose

Like I said I can't drive anymore, I don't know jack sh*t about cars. For me it look like a 4 x 4 but uglier Anyways, what are we gonna do about this thread and calc?.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Bruh, it can grow 8 km with a temp of 100,000,000 °C.

No, just the core reaches such temperature the fire ball itself does not reach such, just the core and nothing else

I think we can easily assume that Boros energy blast fireball have or at least its heatwave (peak heat radiation) able to do the same before it is extinguished. (But on a planetary scale).

No you can’t assume that Boros attack would heat everything up to such degrees when even the atomic bomb does not. Just the starting point(inner core) reaches such degree, the rest are a far cry from it

Just read the thread and the articles linked.

I did and I already explained what’s wrong with your science.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Agree: 13
Disagree: 4

Also wtf happened why are we talking about sexy cars

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Agree: 12
Disagree: 4

Also wtf happened why are we talking about sexy cars

:]

 

[Megaraptor149]

I agree with this calc

 

[UeTa]

No, just the core reaches such temperature the fire ball itself does not reach such, just the core and nothing else

Bruh?

This fireball expanded 274.64 m x 164.81 m in 0.025 s at 100 million °C. And it's a weak nuclear blast. Your argument is invalid. (10,985.6 m/s)

Everything inside a fireball is effectively vaporized. This is why surface detonation bombs make bigger craters and favorise radiation.

Where an Airburst makes significant more air pressure damage, but yield less big crater with diameter around : 50-80 meters at 3,000 psi.

 

[UeTa]

Another note. This is the thermal pulse of a 100 million °C fireballs during the first milliseconds. Do this look like it would incinerate bones for you?

• Video

It can fit with the description of "scorches" tho.

(Edit 2 : video link fix)

 

[UeTa]

• By the way, for the one that didn't want to click on the links since many of the one that argue with me probably didn't to begin with :

"A primary form of energy from a nuclear explosion is thermal radiation. Initially, most of this energy goes into heating the bomb materials and the air in the vicinity of the blast. Temperatures of a nuclear explosion reach those in the interior of the sun, about 100,000,000° Celsius, and produce a brilliant fireball (. . .) Two pulses of thermal radiation emerge from the fireball. The first pulse, which lasts about a tenth of a second, consists of radiation in the ultraviolet region. The second pulse which may last for several seconds, carries about 99 percent of the total thermal radiation energy. It is this radiation that is the main cause of skin burns and eye injuries suffered by exposed individuals and causes combustible materials to break into flames."

The reason of why a fireball cool down and extinguish is because of the second pulse. Thermal energy just like normal energy can be created or destroyed. So it must go somewhere else.

In this case : It's 99,000,000 °C worth of thermal energy that is extracted from the fireball. (And many, too many more thing)

 

[UeTa]

A 20 kT bomb can make a fireball with a diameter of roughly 80 ft (24.384 m) in 0.0001 s, (while it still having a 100 million °C temp' at the time.)

That is 243,840 m/s.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Why does that mean Boros can do sumn similar on a planetary scale? If I recall one of the big issues people took was your extrapolation.

 

[UeTa]

Why does that mean Boros can do sumn similar on a planetary scale? If I recall one of the big issues people took was your extrapolation.

Because it is litteraly that :

But on a global scale.

 

[Abstractions]

Time for you to unnecessarily disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

That image you sent is no where near indicative of a planetary scale

 

[UeTa]

Ooooh FC/OC!

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

That image you sent is no where near indicative of a planetary scale

She means Boros is doing what his blast did to his ship, but on a planetary scale via CSRC

 

[UeTa]

That image you sent is no where near indicative of a planetary scale

Bruh, Released Boros fireball is litteraly 6.36 km x 10.18 km.

If it was at ground level it would be inside the Troposphere. (6 to 20 km) On top of the ship, it would be much taller than plane flight height: 9.49 km - 11.58 km.

Boros' CSRC is stated to destroy the planet and is the exact same attack. You can just do guess work and assume that the fireball would be, much.

Much bigger and reach the top of the troposphere so fast that it will expand inside it faster than it will reach the other layer of the atmosphere and extinguish. (Since the troposphere contains > ~80% of Earth's atmosphere) also remember what it is said : a 20 kT bomb can increase the around pressure to many millions atmosphere.

Imagine what an attack able to wipe out all out humanity would be able to do?

 

[UeTa]

He means Boros is doing what his blast did to his ship, but on a planetary scale via CSRC

"He", dude there literally wrote "She/Her" next to my name.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

"He", dude there literally wrote "She/Her" next to my name.

Oof, didn't see it. I'm so sorry

 

[UeTa]

Oh yeah, I noticed that my argumentation has a lot of "bruh". I don't mean too, it's just that I'm unintentionally "snarky" apparently (and not English at all too). Don't mind it if I do that a lot, it's just that like I said I'm not someone that talk and argue, just calc thing.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Bruh, Released Boros fireball is litteraly 6.36 km x 10.18 km.

If it was at ground level it would be inside the Troposphere. (6 to 20 km) On top of the ship, it would be much taller than plane flight height: 9.49 km - 11.58 km.

Boros' CSRC is stated to destroy the planet and is the exact same attack. You can just do guess work and assume that the fireball would be, much.

Much bigger and reach the top of the troposphere so fast that it will expand inside it faster than it will reach the other layer of the atmosphere and extinguish. (Since the troposphere contains > ~80% of Earth's atmosphere) also remember what it is said : a 20 kT bomb can increase the around pressure to many millions atmosphere.

Imagine what an attack able to wipe out all out humanity would be able to do?

I think you’re missing the point of people taking issue with your extrapolation. Like just because his 10 km fireball is of temperature Y, how does that prove his planet sized attack must be the same temperature. Especially when temperatures far less than what you provided are necessary to accomplish what the statements indicate.

 

[UeTa]

I think you’re missing the point of people taking issue with your extrapolation. Like just because his 10 km fireball is of temperature Y, how does that prove his planet sized attack must be the same temperature. Especially when temperatures far less than what you provided are necessary to accomplish what the statements indicate.

Because his spaceship got melted by his fireball? And it has the description to turn any normal creature bones to ash? (So even even if fireball doesn't cover the whole planet (which the Low-High End doesn't assume, read the calc ), 99% of its energy would be the heatwave.*

edit : I hate this auto emoji thing, I can't have normal emoji

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Because his spaceship got melted by his fireball? And it has the description to turn any normal creature bones to ash? (So even even if fireball doesn't cover the whole planet (which the Low-High End doesn't assume, read the calc ), 99% of its energy would be the heatwave.*

edit : I hate this auto emoji thing, I can't have normal emoji

Again I think you’re missing the point of extrapolation. Just because something occurs on a small scale, doesn’t mean you can extrapolate towards a far larger scale.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Bruh?

This fireball expanded 274.64 m x 164.81 m in 0.025 s at 100 million °C. And it's a weak nuclear blast. Your argument is invalid. (10,985.6 m/s)

Everything inside a fireball is effectively vaporized. This is why surface detonation bombs make bigger craters and favorise radiation.

Where an Airburst makes significant more air pressure damage, but yield less big crater with diameter around : 50-80 meters at 3,000 psi.

AND THIS supposed to change anything I said because?
Like I said

The highest temperatures come in the earliest moments of ignition, before the volume of the explosion dramatically increases. The hottest part of any explosion occurs in the initial stages, when the majority of the energy gets released but remains in a very small volume of space.

So you claiming the entire explosion is the 100,000,000 degrees is blatantly wrong hence the temperature of your calc. Also the more it spreads out the slower it gets btw, so it won’t happen in fraction of seconds like your calcs also claims

 

[UeTa]

Again I think you’re missing the point of extrapolation. Just because something occurs on a small scale, doesn’t mean you can extrapolate towards a far larger scale.

Ok... I will try to understand your logic. According to you :

• The CSRC will make a fireball. But it will be the same size as Released Boros fireball, which charged energy blast is far less strong than a simple punch from Meteoric Burst Boros.
• Also, by your logic the crater made by both attacks would be around the same depth (757 m) and diameter (6.61 km) but CSRC would still wipe out the Earth surface by it's Shockwave or heat.

Now let's see the facts:

• Released Boros was able to fight Saitama for at least 4 minutes without any stamina issues. (We know this because the fight has a canonical duration of 5 minutes and 20 seconds, which were probably scattered during their exchanges inside the ships and before Boros fired CSRC.)
• Knowing that Meteoric Burst Boros kicked Saitama to the moon at near light-speed, we can assume that their exchanges of blow lasted less than a second.

So you have : 4 mins for Released Boros. With basically full stamina left. And 1 s for Meteoric Burst Boros. And he is out of Breath.

That's very, bare minimum x240 power difference, and we know that CSRC is Boros releasing ALL of his latent energy.

See the problem?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ok... I will try to understand your logic. According to you :

• The CSRC will make a fireball. But it will be the same size as Released Boros fireball, which charged energy blast is far less strong than a simple punch from Meteoric Burst Boros.
• Also, by your logic the crater made by both attacks would be around the same depth (757 m) and diameter (6.61 km) but CSRC would still wipe out the Earth surface by it's Shockwave or heat.

Now let's see the facts:

• Released Boros was able to fight Saitama for at least 4 minutes without any stamina issues. (We know this because the fight has a canonical duration of 5 minutes and 20 seconds, which were probably scattered during their exchanges inside the ships and before Boros fired CSRC.)
• Knowing that Meteoric Burst Boros kicked Saitama to the moon at near light-speed, we can assume that their exchanges of blow lasted less than a second.

So you have : 4 mins for Released Boros. With basically full stamina left. And 1 s for Meteoric Burst Boros. And he is out of Breath.

That's very, bare minimum x240 power difference, and we know that CSRC is Boros releasing ALL of his latent energy.

See the problem?

I’ll just wait for DT, Damage, and Therefir cuz you are not understanding things from my perspective at all.

 

[Kachon123]

Again I think you’re missing the point of extrapolation. Just because something occurs on a small scale, doesn’t mean you can extrapolate towards a far larger scale.

It's the same exact attack, just on a bigger scale. For example:

Naruto using Rasengan, then Naruto using Odama Rasengan. It's the same attack, just bigger, and with more power put into it.

 

[UeTa]

AND THIS supposed to change anything I said because?
Like I said

The highest temperatures come in the earliest moments of ignition, before the volume of the explosion dramatically increases. The hottest part of any explosion occurs in the initial stages, when the majority of the energy gets released but remains in a very small volume of space.

So you claiming the entire explosion is the 100,000,000 degrees is blatantly wrong hence the temperature of your calc. Also the more it spreads out the slower it gets btw, so it won’t happen in fraction of seconds like your calcs also claims

Look at the other comments

 

[PrinceofPein]

• By the way, for the one that didn't want to click on the links since many of the one that argue with me probably didn't to begin with :

"A primary form of energy from a nuclear explosion is thermal radiation. Initially, most of this energy goes into heating the bomb materials and the air in the vicinity of the blast. Temperatures of a nuclear explosion reach those in the interior of the sun, about 100,000,000° Celsius, and produce a brilliant fireball (. . .) Two pulses of thermal radiation emerge from the fireball. The first pulse, which lasts about a tenth of a second, consists of radiation in the ultraviolet region. The second pulse which may last for several seconds, carries about 99 percent of the total thermal radiation energy. It is this radiation that is the main cause of skin burns and eye injuries suffered by exposed individuals and causes combustible materials to break into flames."

The reason of why a fireball cool down and extinguish is because of the second pulse. Thermal energy just like normal energy can be created or destroyed. So it must go somewhere else.

In this case : It's 99,000,000 °C worth of thermal energy that is extracted from the fireball. (And many, too many more thing)

Bruh?? What the you just equate radiation energy to temperature?? Like what sort of physics is that??

Thermal radiation energy =/= the temperature was the same all through the radiation is what cause skin burns and high injury, in fact literally no where will you see them claiming the entire fireball was 100,000,000 degrees.
Lol a fireball kilometers tall with 100,000,000 degrees of temperature will vaporize everything within 10s of kilometers of it.

Keep reading the atomic archives actually as it also says this

The fireball, an extremely hot and highly luminous spherical mass of air and gaseous weapon residues, occurs within less than one millionth of one second of the weapon's detonation. Immediately after its formation, the fireball begins to grow in size, engulfing the surrounding air. JThis growth is accompanied by a decrease in temperature because of the accompanying increase in mass.

So yes only the initial fireball that one that happens immediately reaches such temperature the rest are no where as hot.
This would be a fallacy but the fact that you equated temperature to thermal radiation energy already should be a thing that suggest you know little about what you are arguing about.

And also you make it sound like the entire fireball is formed in fraction of seconds

A 20 kT bomb can make a fireball with a diameter of roughly 80 ft (24.384 m) in 0.0001 s, (while it still having a 100 million °C temp' at the time.)

Which makes me want to ask do you really know anything about what you are saying??
I mean aside from the fact that an article you linked literally said the moment the ball is expanding there is a drop in temperature from the initial temp, so please show where they said the temperature is constant

 

[UeTa]

Which makes me want to ask do you really know anything about what you are saying??
I mean aside from the fact that an article you linked literally said the moment the ball is expanding there is a drop in temperature from the initial temp, so please show where they said the temperature is constant

It is not constant. But if a 20 kT bomb is able to travel 25 m while keeping it's 100 million °C temperature at over 200,000 m/s. Released Boros fireball that is able to vaporize large portion of his ship in instant should be able to do the same. (And so the CSRC)

 

[PrinceofPein]

It is not constant. But if a 20 kT bomb is able to travel 25 m while keeping it's 100 million °C temperature at over 200,000 m/s. Released Boros fireball that is able to vaporize large portion of his ship in instant should be able to do the same. (And so the CSRC)

I’m saying where are you seeing this article about it keeping a constant speed and temperature even up to 25m

 

[UeTa]

I’m saying where are you seeing this article about it keeping a constant speed and temperature even up to 25m

Did you read or not?

 

[PrinceofPein]

Did you read or not?

I skimmed through , maybe I missed it but point me in the right reference (e.g. 2.1 or 1.11) in the article

 

[UeTa]

I skimmed through , maybe I missed it but point me in the right reference (e.g. 2.1 or 1.11) in the article

Sorry I was playing Mordhau.
Here and there.