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It's clearly not immeasurable speed and the panels make it very clear he time travelled to the point where Garou were in front of the heroes.
It's an ability thing and not speed
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One-Punch Man CGT: Settling the Topic of Serious Punch²
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It's an ability thing and not speed
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I suppose that "Pre-Garou Fight" and "Post-Garou Fight" might work.
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Okay. I suppose that Time Travel is likely better then.
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It is infinite speed feat technically as immeasurable is for movement beyond linear time, but we don’t grant those anyway
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Yes, I think this is what was unanimously agreed in the OPM discussion thread.
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I suppose that the current new abilities should be:
"At least Multi-Solar System level" attack potency; "Time Travel", "Accelerated Development"; and possibly "Power Mimicry" and "Portal Creation" as well.
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It would be 4-A, higher with reactive evolution. He only grows in strength when fighting an equal and when under emotional duress.
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The gap between his 4-A showing and 3-C is still likely to much to justify for the same reasonn we don't say Majin Buu or Vegito are at least 4-B.
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Following
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Okay.
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where the hole go?
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towards the back of the garou maybe I think
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Nah, infinite speed doesn't work like that, you can't travel back through time with infinite speed as per our standards.
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he's looking at earth through the same angle as the first pic tho
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Not the same continent bruv.
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I know, but then we have to look into the narrator mentioning it take zero punches to end the battle.
https://**********/read/imgur/mUagtWL/1/65/
Also our speed rating does say movement beyond linear time for Immeasurable too so there is that.
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Not sure what to make of that but Immeasurable speed standards does give an example where it says you'd be able to land attacks before even launching them in the first place.
"Movement beyond linear time" literally applies to physically travelling through time as well tho. Higher levels of speed like being unaffected by time itself or existing on a higher level than it is just a higher degree of Immeasurable now. Irrelevant speed got nuked.
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Well, his displayed growth graph was likely intended to be exponential, but I am not sure.
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It was but we can't find multipliers from graphs like that so eh. Make of that what you will.
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The artist likely simply forgot about it. We cannot just ignore a clearly displayed feat as you seem to suggest.
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I agree with this, immesurable needs quite a lot more evidence from what I know
However, I'd go with causality rather than time manip due to the narrator's statement about a reversal in causality and the definition pretty much fits the bill
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I'm fine with the feat being used, I'm just saying it seems really weird to be so glossed over. Unless like, Murata says on twitter that the hole isn't intended to be stars being destroyed in which case we're all screwed.
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Okay. I personally think that "At least 4-A, likely/possibly higher" seems warranted after the Garou fight though.
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Okay, never mind then.
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Perhaps both could be applied?
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We were given a example here.
“The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere in zero time, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen faster than in zero time.
For more information, Infinite speed characters are so fast, they move faster than time can flow at any period. They perceive every finite speed character as completely frozen and it takes 0 time to react to any finite speed object or travel finite speed distance. They can also perform and infinite number of actions or travel infinite distance within a finite amount of time. An infinite speed character's perception of time only flows when they allow it to flow.”
Also I think the Flash did got infinite speed as well too.
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So is there a conclusion for the calculations that will be used later?
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Note the difference between Infinite and Immeasurable is that Infinite is "Everywhere in 0 time", while Immeasurable is "Everywhere and everywhen in 0 time"
Everywhere means physical space, 3-D. Everywhen is time, 4-D. Big difference. Viewing Time as frozen via sheer speed alone, which is what is going on with Flash's locked time feats, is not the same as literally running through it and going to the past, present or future, like in the case of Flash outrunning the Black Racer to the end of time itself.
Also, lots of DC characters have demonstrated Immeasurable speed by literally flying through time itself, and via the Flashes using the Speed Force to the maximum limit (See Flash running to the end of time itself to defeat the Black Racer).
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Yeah, I know since I saw the previous speed clarifications thread too.
But we not gonna compare from one verse to another verse anyway.
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Going back in time reverses causality tho. The narration is just being fancy in how its describing the effect of the time travel.
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Bruh.
Literally in the images we see the continents are not the same.
The second image has the continent look Africa-esque (Pointed like South Africa towards the right), the second image where Garou looks at Earth has the continent's right section flatter than the first image.
As if that wasn't enough, the reversal of causality image (Which happens several pages later) literally shows us the void returning to normal and refilling with stars again.
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As soon as I get home I will create a blog.
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Garou's Time Travel technique allows him to move back in time by manipulating antiparticles, which in some interpretations of Quantum Mechanics are moving backwards through time.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
This is explained in the chapter itself, albeit it's confusing since it's a rather specific scientific reference. But it's not Causality Manipulation, it's just going back in time. That's how the technique works.
Antiparticle - Wikipedia
Positron - Wikipedia
This is explained in the chapter itself, albeit it's confusing since it's a rather specific scientific reference. But it's not Causality Manipulation, it's just going back in time. That's how the technique works.
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Make senses yeah, though there's that ''unavoidable'' part so idk, quite consistently stated I think
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We are waiting for the calc group members that I called for earlier to make conclusions in that regard, as I think that only Damage3245 and KLOL506 have done so here so far.
I do not have the authority or know-how to decide that on my own. Different types of staff members are assigned different types of responsibilities.
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Which calculation do you think is preferable to use for this feat among all the ones listed in the first post of this thread?
Which calculation do you think is preferable to use for this feat among all the ones listed in the first post of this thread?
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These are the same, though. Yet the sun and numerous other stars are still present. At the very least Murata's being inconsistent here.
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