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Agree bump
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One-Punch Man: AP Revisions
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Perfect
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Just re-iterating this point for the sandbox.
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yes but to demonstrate it we would need the anime imo so for now the calculation can be fine like this then when we see the action precisely we can discuss as far as I think
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Err, calc has already been removed from the verse page, so no, it would need to be removed from the sandbox too.
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can't it be put back until we see something concrete that leads to the confirmation or definitive removal of the calc?
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No. There's been an agreement among three Calc Group Members that it is not accurate to use.
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I have already answered this question regarding 6B, then psykos is based more on the strength of the characters to outline their strength, so the AP is not that there are other factors that she takes into consideration, compatibility is a factor that also takes into account the combat strength of the character because otherwise you can send a character's counter but if he is weaker he would be knocked down
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Ok so can't a CRT be done to put it back for now?
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Damn, I'm trying to find some kind of connection between the messages and I can't. How are you even going to scale gouketsu to the level of a homeless emperor? or who are you scaling to what?
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The base assumptions of the calc are unfounded
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By the way, we haven't gone anywhere yet. does anyone have calculations for cutting off a piece of the planet from psykorochi? because after re-reading the manga, I have big questions
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Not relevant to the thread. Take it to the general discussion thread.
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yes based on the fact that it is assumed that the time used for the calculation is not correct even if this can be understood better from the anime the fact that the calculation is wrong comes from a thought that can be right or wrong based on the anime since in case the time used in the calculations may seem inaccurate or illogical one looks at that to establish the correct timing of certain events
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You can't just make an assumption and then say "well just go with my assumption until the anime proves me wrong" dude
Once the anime comes out and a proper timeframe is given, THEN you can recalc it and it can be accepted
If the calc isn't able to prove it's assumptions (size, timeframe, etc) it can't be used
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I somehow stopped getting notifications from my own thread.
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One-Punch Man: Nichirin Calc
Okay so this thread happened. I was unaware of its existence and for some reason I didn't get @ed in the thread itself (???) which is pretty odd, but whatever. Nichirin's swordsmanship revolves around super high-speed cuts. When using the same technique he used against Black Sperm against a...
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This calc got accepted so I added it to the all of the sandboxes in the OP. This replaces the Nichirin calc while the other thread finishes so this one can move on. The characters who scaled to 225.25 Megatons value are now 309.93 Megatons.
Scaling comes from Half Monster Garou being a threat to Gyoro Gyoro.
Scaling comes from Half Monster Garou being a threat to Gyoro Gyoro.
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Thanks for the update, I'll take another look at the sandbox.
EDIT: I don't think the sandbox is quite done yet as that justification for Half-Monster Garou doesn't appear to be there.
EDIT: I don't think the sandbox is quite done yet as that justification for Half-Monster Garou doesn't appear to be there.
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Fixed.
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I don't have any issue with the 7-A ratings currently.
The only remaining point of contention I have is for Genos' ratings:
In his Post-VGS key, Genos has this AP justificaton:
The most important bit I want to highlight being this:
His previous Full Power Incineration Cannon in his House of Evolution to Alien Conquerors Arc key being rated as:
The issue I take with this is that Genos doesn't have any source, reference or justification for why in his Post-VGS key he should be able to produce blasts normally that are as powerful at his fully charged Incineration Cannon that uses the full power of his Core plugged into his cannons.
Unless there's any proper reason, I think Genos' ratings should be changed to "At least Town level", and the Large Town level rating only used for when he uses the full power of his Core.
The only remaining point of contention I have is for Genos' ratings:
In his Post-VGS key, Genos has this AP justificaton:
The most important bit I want to highlight being this:
His previous Full Power Incineration Cannon in his House of Evolution to Alien Conquerors Arc key being rated as:
The issue I take with this is that Genos doesn't have any source, reference or justification for why in his Post-VGS key he should be able to produce blasts normally that are as powerful at his fully charged Incineration Cannon that uses the full power of his Core plugged into his cannons.
Unless there's any proper reason, I think Genos' ratings should be changed to "At least Town level", and the Large Town level rating only used for when he uses the full power of his Core.
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Has there been any verification of these calculations? since I have questions about a number of calculations, I think this one will not be superfluous. how were the diameter of the sphere, the height of the floors, and so on calculated?
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Should Pig God scale to mountain level, or at least have a possibly? Pri-Pri Prisoner himself states that he's the weakest S class hero after all, after losing to Garou in the same day. Same for the TTM
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Pri-Pri Prisoner is only Mountain level with one specific attack, with a new form that he only unlocked in the Monster Association arc. So it should be fine for those other S-Class heroes to still rate below that.
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Yeah, but he only just unlocked that technique in that arc. It's not like we've had specific comparisons between that technique and Pig God / Tanktop Master. Pri-Pri Prisoner can still be weaker than them overall while having one special move. It would also end up leading into circular scaling down the road.
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Genos' Post-VGS key has an 'up to' attached to his Large Town level rating. Objectively, because Genos is stronger than before and has access to higher energy levels, he can now produce his previous full power not at full power.
On top of that, an upgraded Genos from when he preformed the Large Town level feat claimed that G4 was a higher preforming robot than he was, meaning that he'd scale regardless. For reference, Genos' upgrades focus on total destructive force, evident by the fact that he could defeat Deep Sea King in 2 hits (someone he was relative with only in an amped state before), showing how notable this is.
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Genos is stronger than before, sure, but that wouldn't automatically make him Large Town level with ordinary blasts.
You claim he can produce his previous full power blasts now without attaching his Core to his arm? I haven't seen any proof of this.
Genos says that G4 may have higher performance than he does, but that still doesn't mean that G4's attacks scale over Genos' previous full Core power focused into a single attack.
Genos defeating Deep Sea King in two hits would still only make him At least Town level.
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Genos defeating Deep Sea King in two hits would still only make him At least Town level.
but it wasn't 2 hits, but 2 attacks. Gatling punches and incineration
but it wasn't 2 hits, but 2 attacks. Gatling punches and incineration
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Noted, thank you.
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Yes, this was after sensing G4's energy levels and comparing it to his own.
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Sure, but Genos isn't firing off the full power of his Core and draining his entire energy reserves with every attack.
If you think there's no reason at all to doubt the High 7-C rating for that key of Genos, then we can get more staff input to help resolve this.
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Genos doesn't need to be firing off massive energy beams, but the fact that G4's energy levels are above Genos' energy level (it didn't note beams, but energy levels in general which his full power beams would fall under).
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I don't think that's a good enough reason for the scaling, sorry. G4's energy levels possibly being higher than Genos' energy levels wouldn't matter, because for the same reason that Genos isn't always firing at peak power, neither would there be any reason to assume the same for G4.
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The issue with this is that we've seen the peak of G4's power. Genos was still able to match this with his stronger incineration cannons and boost-amped strikes.
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I don't agree with that scaling to Genos' calc when he blasted the meteor.
Personally, I'd recommend changing that part.
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For what reason? The justification is pretty clear cut and unless you think that Genos' assessment of his own and G4's power is incorrect, I don't see why at the very least G4's core and Genos' stronger boosted attacks (hence the up to rating) can't scale.
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I'm not convinced that Genos' statement applies to him using the full power inside of his Core in a single attack. That is not a representation of Genos' typical performance, so him saying that G4 may be a higher performance machine than him doesn't mean that it is casually well above his previous peak.
If you have a different interpretation then fair enough, but I'm voting against it currently.
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Genos' energy levels aren't measuring his "typical performance." His core is a generator. Whether it's using its full power at one instance or not, the level of energy within it would remain the same. The fact that a far stronger Genos is debating whether G4 is above him or not means that his superiority to earlier forms of Genos is inarguable.
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Question-how are energy levels and combat levels related? After all, this is the difference between stamina and striking strength
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I don't agree - the implication is that Genos' attack against the meteor is a lot stronger because he's using all his energy in one go as opposed to a normal Full Power Incinceration Cannon. I'd prefer not to go in circles about this so will wait to see what others say.
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