One-Punch Man: Ki (+ some PnA cleanups)

[Kachon123]

Ki is something present in all beings in the One-Punch Man universe. While every individual possesses Ki to some extent, only certain characters have demonstrated the ability to actively sense, control, or manipulate it. This manipulation can manifest in various techniques that grant distinct abilities.

Linked below are two sandboxes:

Sandbox 1: Details the abilities associated with Ki manipulation.

Kachon123/Ki

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Sandbox 2: Lists the characters who have shown Ki manipulation, along with the specific abilities that would apply to each.

Kachon123/Ki Users

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[LIFE_OF_KING]

Doesnt this have the same problem than the willpower thing? (Which I forgor to keep going)

 

[Kachon123]

Nope.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What do you mean "Nope", you're using the Garou's copy technique and giving it to Iaian

 

[Kachon123]

Clearly you have not read the sandboxes.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Sand boxes look good.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Clearly you have not read the sandboxes.

If you're writing the P&A in the profiles anyway, whats the need for a whole Ki page

 

[Kachon123]

Standard procedure. It's a lot less confusing for people who aren't knowledgable if there's a page explaining the concept in its entirety.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I don't think so, I think it's quite the opposite. Just explain the abilities individually, just like how you are doing, without need of a Ki page that could make users confused

 

[Kachon123]

I'll keep what I have. Thanks for your input though.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What you have is battleboarding shovelware.

 

[Phoenks]

Completely disagree with this, sorry. I'll respond in more detail at some point but yeah this is even worse than the universalization of the willpower stuff.

Especially with using specific martial arts techniques and applying their applications universally??? Literally what??! They are specific techniques meant to do those things. That stuff doesn't just apply to other people without those specific techniques bruh.

 

[Kachon123]

Especially with using specific martial arts techniques and applying their applications universally??? Literally what??! They are specific techniques meant to do those things. That stuff doesn't just apply to other people without those specific techniques bruh.

For example?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

• Healing & Regeneration (up to High-Mid; Certain characters are able to manipulate their Ki to accelerate their natural regeneration, while others have organs that naturally use Ki the heal<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Boros-26"><span>[</span>25<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Sage-22"><span>[</span>21<span>]</span></a>)

Why are we assuming that Boros's energy is ki? When Boros's says that uses energy to heal he def refers to the energy that he also uses in combat (a similar way to e=mc^2)

• Energy Projection (A handful of users can release Ki as outward blasts or beams of energy. Characters such as Boros and Garou do this by channeling their own Ki, whereas others like Vaccine Man and Homeless Emperor draw upon external sources like Bio Energy or God)

Why any of this is ki? One of the scans literally say "bio-energy from earth"

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If you're writing the P&A in the profiles anyway, whats the need for a whole Ki page

I don't think so, I think it's quite the opposite. Just explain the abilities individually, just like how you are doing, without need of a Ki page that could make users confused

Keep in mind that just because a character has shown the ability to use Ki in some of the ways listed below doesn’t mean they can use it in every way. The only exception to this is Garou, who achieved perfect mastery

I understand now
Shadow upgrade

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I don't think so, I think it's quite the opposite. Just explain the abilities individually, just like how you are doing, without need of a Ki page that could make users confused

Even thoughts of that.

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Besides, some of these things don't even mention ki/chi?

Like, this ability.

Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception (Most characters can use Ki to gauge power levels, detect the location of enemies, and sense the intent from attacks)

Nothing in the scan mentions ki/chi. Like, the last scan is of Smile Man, who I don't think was ever mentioned as someone who uses ki? Like, why are we assuming he's using ki to sense? Because he's a martial artist?

Unless the OP is arguing that anything "supernatural" any martial arts user demonstrates is a use of ki, this seems like an assumption to me. And even if it were, this seems like a very extraordinary argument, considering that the information below has no kind of analysis or reference to make this generalization.

Ki, also known as Chi/Qi, Latent Energy, or Aura is the vital energy that exists within all beings and natural phenomena in One-Punch Man. It is a life force that flows through every living creature, and with sufficient mastery, it can be drawn out, refined, and weaponized.

Ki Manipulation in One-Punch Man refers to the control and application of said life energy, which martial artists and monsters use to enhance their combat effectiveness. It grants users access to a wide variety of applications, ranging from heightened senses to soul-related abilities. Ki serves as both an internal and an external force, allowing individuals to empower their bodies and weapons, replicate techniques by reading energy flow, and/or unleash destructive blasts. In some cases, it can even influence the soul and mind itself, making it a core power system that acts as a basis for most, if not all of the series’ martial and supernatural feats.

Martial Arts (Ki is the foundation of martial arts in the series, enabling users to sense, counter, and refine techniques beyond normal human limits)

 

[Phoenks]

For example?

Literally this entire section:

• Martial Arts(Ki is the foundation of martial arts in the series, enabling users to sense, counter, and refine techniques beyond normal human limits)
  • Attack Reflection (Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist allows the user to deflect incoming attacks or redirect them with double the force)
  • Energy Manipulation (Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist takes knowledge of the flow of energy behind raging currents and tidal surges, recreating these forces within one's body and channeling them in the fists using Ki)
  • Non-Physical Interaction (Elemental; Martial Artists manipulating Ki are able to interact with energy and elemental-based attacks. It's implied to be possible to cut water)
  • Shockwave Generation & Durability Negation (Fist of Whirling Wind, Slashing Steel sends shockwaves into the body that slice the target apart from the inside. Fist of Roaring Qi, Rending Air generates powerful shockwaves inside the opponent's body even if they block or deflect the attacks. It's stated that a mere graze from this technique will engulf the entire body and shatter every bone, while a direct hit is capable of pulverizing the target’s body into dust. Fa Jin attacks target the internal organs, regardless of how tough the bones and flesh are. Nichirin was able to use Ki to amplify his techniques to where he could slice between the atoms of an apple and cut a mountain behind it, all without damaging the apple itself)

There is absolutely zero reason this should scale to anyone except the people who wield these specific techniques. Since such abilities are tied to those specific techniques.

• Power Mimicry (By reading the flow of Ki in all things, its possible for characters such as Garou to replicate techniques within their own body)

NOBODY should scale to this except Garou. Chapter 165 makes it clear this is a Garou thing.

• Energy Projection (A handful of users can release Ki as outward blasts or beams of energy. Characters such as Boros and Garou do this by channeling their own Ki, whereas others like Vaccine Man and Homeless Emperor draw upon external sources like Bio Energy or God)

User-specific. Not universal.

• Greater Extrasensory Perception (Allowed Garou to be able to feel and understand the flow of all energy in the universe and discern what Blast's abilities were at a glance to copy the exact usage<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Fear-4"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>)
• Enhanced Energy Manipulation (Mastery of the flow and control of all energy in the universe<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)
  • Greater Energy Projection (Allows for creation of nuclear explosions similar to Homeless Emperor's energy spheres and Gamma Ray Burst<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)
    • Matter Manipulation (Atomic), Explosion Manipulation, Heat Manipulation & Sound Manipulation (With Nuclear Fission, which can reach temperatures of tens of millions of degrees and exceed 240 decibels, capable of killing a human through multiple lethal effects<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)
  • Black Hole Creation (Can create black holes<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)

All of this is cosmic Garou. None of it scales to anyone else.




This page, aside from maybe 5 abilities, is nothing but a bunch of user-specific abilities that for some reason have been grouped together? There is no correlation. OPM does not have some universal ki energy system that allows anyone with Ki to do all of this.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Literally this entire section:

• Martial Arts(Ki is the foundation of martial arts in the series, enabling users to sense, counter, and refine techniques beyond normal human limits)
  • Attack Reflection (Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist allows the user to deflect incoming attacks or redirect them with double the force)
  • Energy Manipulation (Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist takes knowledge of the flow of energy behind raging currents and tidal surges, recreating these forces within one's body and channeling them in the fists using Ki)
  • Non-Physical Interaction (Elemental; Martial Artists manipulating Ki are able to interact with energy and elemental-based attacks. It's implied to be possible to cut water)
  • Shockwave Generation & Durability Negation (Fist of Whirling Wind, Slashing Steel sends shockwaves into the body that slice the target apart from the inside. Fist of Roaring Qi, Rending Air generates powerful shockwaves inside the opponent's body even if they block or deflect the attacks. It's stated that a mere graze from this technique will engulf the entire body and shatter every bone, while a direct hit is capable of pulverizing the target’s body into dust. Fa Jin attacks target the internal organs, regardless of how tough the bones and flesh are. Nichirin was able to use Ki to amplify his techniques to where he could slice between the atoms of an apple and cut a mountain behind it, all without damaging the apple itself)

There is absolutely zero reason this should scale to anyone except the people who wield these specific techniques. Since such abilities are tied to those specific techniques.

• Power Mimicry (By reading the flow of Ki in all things, its possible for characters such as Garou to replicate techniques within their own body)

NOBODY should scale to this except Garou. Chapter 165 makes it clear this is a Garou thing.

• Energy Projection (A handful of users can release Ki as outward blasts or beams of energy. Characters such as Boros and Garou do this by channeling their own Ki, whereas others like Vaccine Man and Homeless Emperor draw upon external sources like Bio Energy or God)

User-specific. Not universal.

• Greater Extrasensory Perception (Allowed Garou to be able to feel and understand the flow of all energy in the universe and discern what Blast's abilities were at a glance to copy the exact usage<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Fear-4"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a>)
• Enhanced Energy Manipulation (Mastery of the flow and control of all energy in the universe<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)
  • Greater Energy Projection (Allows for creation of nuclear explosions similar to Homeless Emperor's energy spheres and Gamma Ray Burst<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)
    • Matter Manipulation (Atomic), Explosion Manipulation, Heat Manipulation & Sound Manipulation (With Nuclear Fission, which can reach temperatures of tens of millions of degrees and exceed 240 decibels, capable of killing a human through multiple lethal effects<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)
  • Black Hole Creation (Can create black holes<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Kachon123/Ki#cite_note-Cosmic-14"><span>[</span>13<span>]</span></a>)

All of this is cosmic Garou. None of it scales to anyone else.




This page, aside from maybe 5 abilities, is nothing but a bunch of user-specific abilities that for some reason have been grouped together? There is no correlation. OPM does not have some universal ki energy system that allows anyone with Ki to do all of this.

He is not trying to scale it universally (except for Garou). If you look into the other sandbox, he writes what abilities apply for each individual character, which makes me confused of why the need of a Ki page anyway

Kachon123/Ki Users

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[Phoenks]

verse-specific abilities are meant to apply universally to characters. so if that's the case then this just isn't really relevant as a page.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I agree. That's what I have been saying

 

[Vietthai96]

Read the OP, first the page claim Ki to be something of a universal power, and then in next section it process to show only some unique abilities that is specifically belong to only a handful of characters with some mention of Ki attracted to them. Worse, the God Enchanced section is entirely Garou feats only with only a single energy sphere feat from Homeless Emperor mixed in for the Energy Manipulation justification

Clearly you have not read the sandboxes.

Clearly i don't like this kind of comment, while this isn't anything rule violating comment or warning worthy thing, let not instantly claimed people not reading the sandbox when they disagree with you. And from what i saw, if he could making claim that you're using the Garou's copy technique and giving it to Iaian then i could certainly say he had read your sandbox to a degree

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah I agree with Phoenks. This is like saying that if Naruto has TSOs anyone with chakra also has TSOs.

Just because everyone might possibly have ki and might use it for some of their abilities doesn't mean all ki users can use all ki abilities. At which point there's no purpose for a sandbox that groups them all together

 

[Arkansalter2]

Yeah agreeing with Phoenks. This is just listing Garou abilities.