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One-Punch Man: AP Revisions
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The chapter explaining how the Cadre were monsters beyond the S-Class showed a non-amped Fuhrer Ugly attacking Amai Mask. The Cadre are portrayed as overall just vastly superior to any other masters, so I don't think it's a strange assumption to make to say that Bug God's base AP could be used for Fuhrer Ugly's base AP as well.
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I can see where you're coming from with it but I think it'd still make more sense to scale Fuhrer Ugly off of Sweet Mask, who scales from Iaian.
Given that Gums scales to Fuhrer Ugly, this would then upgrade Pig God, which upgrades Narinki's Private Squad, which would upgrade Royal Ripper and in turn upgrade Bug God again, forming a chain of circular scaling.
If we cut out Fuhrer Ugly scaling to Bug God, then it's no longer circular.
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No it wouldn't. Narinki's Private Squad scale relative to Iaian, Bushidrill, and Okamaitachi.
I'm not too sure why their only justification is giving Pig God the bloody nose. It was originally supposed to just be a support feat for them being around the disciples' level, but I guess someone forgot to add the rest to their profile.
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I'm just going off of what is in your sandbox which has them scaling to Pig God as their main justification.
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Right, so that's just an issue with our profiles that I didn't notice at first. I just copy-pasted what was already there and adjusted. I'll fix their justification if that helps.
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That'd be good.
Although what then is Iaian's main justification in the M.A. arc?
His profile offers three of them:
- Wishes to fight Garou even after learning Garou beat Tanktop Master.
- Scales to Narinki's Private Squad who currently scale to Pig God.
- Broke through Tatsumaki's barrier that gave Black Sperm and Gums some trouble.
If it's the latter than the circular scaling chain may still apply as he'd be scaling to Gums.
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Iaian scales to Tanktop Master.
Narinki's Private Squad scale to Iaian.
Breaking through the barrier is support for Iaian being around that level since it gave Gums some trouble.
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Thanks. Going back through it now.
Can you include Iaian's second key in your sandbox with him scaling the Private Squad removed as they're now scaling to him?
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Done.
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I think that Atomic Samurai is missing from the sandbox? A few characters in there are scaling to 225.25 Megatons through him, from what I can tell. But his current profile doesn't feature the reason why he'd be scaling to the 225.25 Megaton calc.
Jet Psykos is missing as well.
Jet Psykos is missing as well.
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He's the strongest swordsman. He scales above Nichirin.
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Sure, but that's not currently on his profile, nor does Nichirin have a profile that'd make it easier to find the root of the scaling. So Atomic Samurai would need to go in the sandbox too.
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Nichirin does not have a profile yet, and including the calc into Atomic Samurai's justification instead wouldn't really make sense. We could do what Recon suggested and add a note to Atomic Samurai's profile until Nichirin's profile is made. In the meantime we can just use the verse page notes that I linked in the OP since it's explained there.
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Sure it'd make sense. It'd be as simple as writing:
Attack Potency: Mountain level (As the strongest swordsman, Atomic Samurai should be comparable to Nichirin who has a feat of [insert calc here])
With some embellishment to it in the form of scans, references, etc.
Attack Potency: Mountain level (As the strongest swordsman, Atomic Samurai should be comparable to Nichirin who has a feat of [insert calc here])
With some embellishment to it in the form of scans, references, etc.
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Done
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Now that changes have been made to the sandbox, I'll get my re-evaluation up later today when I'm free.
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Exactly
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Two remaining points of contention from me. The first one is that I, and some other users, don't think that Psykos' statement for HE and BS is enough for them to solidly scale to Gouketsu on account of him being deceased when the statement was made. A likely/possibly rating would make more sense for them.
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I don't think it should matter, Psykos made that statement after seeing Tatsumaki defeating gyoro gyoro + after seeing that "King" defeated the Orochi she knew at the moment.
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Psykos' statement isn't being used to scale HE and GS directly to Gouketsu in the way you described. It's being used to scale them around Tatsumaki's perceived strength level, as Psykos did not believe that Gouketsu could defeat her (claimed that Tatsumaki can not be defeated 1 on 1).
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Gouketsu potentially not being able to defeat Tatsumaki in a one a one confrontation may not solely come down to AP difference. Compatibility is a factor as Phoenix Man explained to Garou.
Also, the justification in the sandbox is "Psykos claimed that he and Homeless Emperor could defeat anybody, which should include the likes of Gouketsu" so it does seem to be a direct scaling to Gouketsu in there.
Also, have you got the scan for Psykos claiming that Tatsumaki cannot be defeated 1 on 1? Unless this is the scan you mean. Because that scan also comes after Gouketsu's death so he wouldn't be a factor in Psykos planning to kill Tatsumaki.
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There is also the fact that she says it after King defeated Orochi, Psykos didn't know about Orochi's true power but knew he was stronger than Gouketsu.
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I still don't think a solid rating for both of them would be good for that since Orochi, even suppressed, should be stronger than either of them individually and it's only if they both work together that Psykos thinks they can kill anyone.
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Then we could scale them to 1/2 like we do with Hellfire Flame and Gale Wind
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Hmm. Maybe that could work.
Also, as it is related to this thread I wanted to let you know I have issues with Nichirin's calculation - to avoid bogging down this thread with it I raised the matter in a separate thread.
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Calc Group Members have agreed with me that the Nichirin calculation is flawed.
So the parts of the sandbox affecting Atomic Samurai, G5, Genos, Jet Psykos, Pri-Pri Prisoner, Nyan, Gearsper and Drive Knight will need to be ammended.
So the parts of the sandbox affecting Atomic Samurai, G5, Genos, Jet Psykos, Pri-Pri Prisoner, Nyan, Gearsper and Drive Knight will need to be ammended.
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What are we discussing here?
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don't know
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I've remained relatively active in the thread but we can't help it if others are busy.
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Sandbox proposals look fine.
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Well, actually, I have a couple of topics, but as I see it, something else is being discussed here.
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