One Punch Man 7-A Upgrades

[Ourosboros]

The argument is that we have no idea about how much Darkshine is holding back, so they downscale to 7-A. But if don't know how much Darkshine is holding back? Then why assume 7-A, why couldn't he be holding back to 7-B.

If we're gonna use the whole "we don't know how much Darkshine was holding back thing", listing them as 7-B feels much safer than 7-A.

Oh, well he wasn't holding back that much. He was definitely using a quantifiable percentage of his power against Garou before he went all-out and forced Garou into Spiral Mode. The question is whether we're talking something like 50% or 10% or something in between. But he's definitely using more effort against Garou than he did against Destrochloridium.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Fair enough. I feel like we're not gonna get further with this without staff. I'd just wait for ByAsura or Qawsedf. What do you think of my Boros proposal?

 

[CheatHydra]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

VFU
Goukestu
CK
AB Bang
GS
Downscales from a casual DS:
Half Monster Garou
Scales to or Above Half Monster Garou in some way:
Flashy
Atomic
Bang
Bomb
Rover (Scales above Bang/Bomb)
Pre-molt EC (Scales to or below Bang/Bomb)
Post-molt EC (Scales above Gouketsu and to AB Bang)
Gyro Gryo (Psykos scales above Gyro Gyro)
Drive Knight and Genos (Downscales from Psykos)
Nyan (Downscales or scales to Drive Knight)
Melz (Downscales from Bang)
BS (varies up to the same tier as atomic)

Post-Molt doesn't scale through Goketsu. Just Bang and Bomb. I wouldn't give Mel a new key for having five heads since they don't really show any degree of superiority when fused or unfused. Boros should be either 6-C or something like "At least 7-A+, possibly 6-C". Giving him an unknown rating when his armored version is considered to be superior to the rest of his crew by the crewmates themselves seems strange.

 

[ImposingTiger]

Post-Molt doesn't scale through Goketsu

Yes, by Genos' statement.

I wouldn't give Mel a new key for having five heads since they don't really show any degree of superiority when fused or unfused

Except it is stated to be far superior than his previous forms in the databook.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Yes, by Genos' statement.

What statement?

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

What statement?

This statement which is already linked on EC's profile.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We currently scale EC through Bang rather than Gouketsu. Gouketsu is just supporting stuff

 

[Qawsedf234]

This statement which is already linked on EC's profile.

That doesn't really confirm that EC is above Goketsu. Just that Genos considers him on the same plane. This does however support upscaling through CK though.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That doesn't really confirm that EC is above Goketsu. Just that Genos considers him on the same plane. This does however support upscaling through CK though.

What is your opinion on my Boros proposals?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Boros should be either 6-C or something like "At least 7-A+, possibly 6-C". Giving him an unknown rating when his armored version is considered to be superior to the rest of his crew by the crewmates themselves seems strange.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Your opinion on speed and LS?

 

[Qawsedf234]

I still don't think we should upscale his lifting strength, but it would be hypocritical since we do it for other profiles with just as little justification. So I guess his last key scaling isn't unreasonable.

Speed he should probably be MHS, likely MHS+ or something like that.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I still don't think we should upscale his lifting strength, but it would be hypocritical since we do it for other profiles with just as little justification. So I guess his last key scaling isn't unreasonable.

Released should get it as well

Speed he should probably be MHS, likely MHS+ or something like that.

Where does likely MHS+ come from? I was proposing possibly FTL

 

[Kachon123]

Where does likely MHS+ come from? I was proposing possibly FTL

I think he is referring to Released Boros.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think he is referring to Released Boros.

Possibly FTL is for released Boros as well, I dunno where likely MHS+ comes from.

 

[Kachon123]

Possibly FTL is for released Boros as well, I dunno where likely MHS+ comes from.

Why would Released Boros get Possibly FTL? Saitma didn't show any surprise in speed, so we cant use the reasoning we will for MB.

 

[LordTracer]

I haven’t really been following this thread recently, is everyone aside from people that directly scale to Darkshine still getting ‘possibly 7-A+’?

 

[Kachon123]

I haven’t really been following this thread recently, is everyone aside from people that directly scale to Darkshine still getting ‘possibly 7-A+’?

Yes.

 

[LordTracer]

Mkay

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Why would Released Boros get Possibly FTL? Saitma didn't show any surprise in speed, so we cant use the reasoning we will for MB.

Because he obviously put more effort against Released than he did against Geryu lmao. It's the same reason Released has High 6-A.

None of that still explains where likely MHS+ comes from. The only MHS+ calc existing comes from Psykorochi and Boros has no reason to scale to her

 

[Qawsedf234]

None of that still explains where likely MHS+ comes from.

I mean, I thought the topic was scaling Boros' speed is them. Hence the MHS+. Possibly FTL works since we already semi-acknowledge the feat.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah ok then.

Tho what are your thoughts on characters down scaling to 7-A because we don't know what extent Darlshine was holding back. I already stated I thought why 7-A is bunk and why 7-B seems safer

 

[CheatHydra]

Bump

 

[ByAsura]

For some reason, I haven't been getting notifications.

 

[ByAsura]

As I explained in the OP, pre-molt Elder Centipede shouldn't scale above Melz. EC barely did any damage to an exhausted Bang and Bomb, while Melz knocked the former out briefly. City level seems entirely reasonable.

I also explained that Pre-Molt's scaling to Gouketsu is b.s. All Orochi implies is that they're Cadre level and represent massive losses to the MA.

ByAsura proposed the half scaling based of scaling from Psykojet. IF that isn't agreed apon maybe we could just downscale them from post DS Garou?

When did I do that? I don't remember anything of the sort.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

When did I do that? I don't remember anything of the sort.

"Secondly, one of Darkshine's serious attacks does more damage to PsykoJet than Bang and Bomb's combo attack. Establishing that they're both under half of Darkshine's physical strength."

 

[ByAsura]

Oh, I thought you were talking about PsykoJet scaling to them.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

As I explained in the OP, pre-molt Elder Centipede shouldn't scale above Melz. EC barely did any damage to an exhausted Bang and Bomb, while Melz knocked the former out briefly.

City level seems entirely reasonable

Sticking with the 7-B scaling and just slapping possibly 7-A+ on there seems reasonable.

 

[ByAsura]

I'll make a full sandbox after I finish some Star Wars revisions.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

As I explained in the OP, pre-molt Elder Centipede shouldn't scale above Melz. EC barely did any damage to an exhausted Bang and Bomb, while Melz knocked the former out briefly. City level seems entirely reasonable.

I also explained that Pre-Molt's scaling to Gouketsu is b.s. All Orochi implies is that they're Cadre level and represent massive losses to the MA.

That's perfectly fine and no one was trying to scale Pre-molt to Gouketsu as far as I know. But did you see my proposal to downscale half monster Garou from DS and my scaling?

 

[Kachon123]

while Melz knocked the former out briefly.

Mel just hit him in a wall, just as EC hit bang into a tree,

 

[ByAsura]

That's perfectly fine and no one was trying to scale Pre-molt to Gouketsu as far as I know. But did you see my proposal to downscale half monster Garou from DS and my scaling?

I didn't, sorry. Mind giving me a recap?

Mel just hit him in a wall, just as EC hit bang into a tree,

That's totally meaningless. EC did almost no damage to an exhausted, Melz very briefly knocked him out. Simple.

 

[Kachon123]

I didn't, sorry. Mind giving me a recap?

That's totally meaningless. EC did almost no damage to an exhausted, Melz very briefly knocked him out. Simple.

He wasn't knocked out?

 

[ByAsura]

He was. Even if he wasn't it still had much more effect than EC, and that was while Bang was exhausted from using his combo.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

I didn't, sorry. Mind giving me a recap?

My proposal is to downscale/scale HM Garou to a casual DS based of DS visibly trying more against Garou than he did with that fodder monster.

DS vs Garou.

DS throwing some guy into a wall.

Also Here's the people that would be affected (Please note this is a rough draft so some reasons for scaling could change)
Here's my proposal to make the 7-A scaling easier to understand and better:
Scales to or above a full power DS:
Spiral Garou (Current Garou scales higher than this form)
VFU
Goukestu
CK
AB Bang
GS
Downscales from a casual DS:
Half Monster Garou
Scales to or Above Half Monster Garou in some way:
Flashy
Atomic
Bang
Bomb
Rover (Scales above Bang/Bomb)
Pre-molt EC (Scales to or below Bang/Bomb?)
Post-molt EC (Scales above Bang/Bomg and CK)
Gyro Gryo (Psykos scales above Gyro Gyro)
Drive Knight and Genos (Downscales from Psykos)
Nyan (Downscales or scales to Drive Knight)
Melz (Downscales from Bang)
BS (varies up to the same tier as atomic)
Boros
At Least 7-A+, Possibly 6-C.
Possibly FTL for MB and Released.
Class Z lifting strength for MB and Released.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Possibly FTL for MB.
Class Z lifting strength

Both of these apply for release as well

 

[ByAsura]

My proposal is to downscale/scale HM Garou to a casual DS based of DS visibly trying more against Garou than he did with that fodder monster.

We agreed to solve this earlier by simply treating the post-orochi/pre-darkshine Garou as if he doesn't exist. It makes scaling way easier because Garou's also known to get stronger after massive beatings, and we don't really know how strong Garou was during the Orochi fight (somewhere between getting obliterated by a casual Darkshine and his Rover level).

Also, as I explained, EC only caused a tiny bit of pain to an exhausted Bang. Otherwise, they can each obliterate his carapace.

Anyway, I'll make a start on that sandbox.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

My proposal is to downscale/scale HM Garou to a casual DS based of DS visibly trying more against Garou than he did with that fodder monster.

We agreed to solve this earlier by simply treating the post-orochi/pre-darkshine Garou as if he doesn't exist. It makes scaling way easier because Garou's also known to get stronger after massive beatings, and we don't really know how strong Garou was during the Orochi fight (somewhere between getting obliterated by a casual Darkshine and his Rover level).

Also, as I explained, EC only caused a tiny bit of pain to an exhausted Bang. Otherwise, they can each obliterate his carapace.

Anyway, I'll make a start on that sandbox.

I think this makes sense

 

[ByAsura]

Rough scaling.

I've made some concessions since last time.

Also, I didn't realise we already did the editing for like 3 people.