One-Punch Man: 2 MFTL Calcs

[DavidTPPM]

Wait nevermind. The 1 second timeframe is for the dispersion of gas, not for Saitama and Garou flying off of Io.

Oh so 1 second for gas dispersion which is used for gas speed which is used for Garou Jump time frame right?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Wouldn't there still be this problem?

The more the sneeze spreads, the more energy it loses per m³ and the more mass it has to push. Both of these factors result in the decrease of speed. It's the same principle as inverse cube law but in the reverse to how we usually use it to calculate AP feats.

The gas should still get exponentially slower as it spreads out making the timeframe just objectively wrong.

 

[MrTayman616]

Wouldn't there still be this problem?

The gas should still get exponentially slower as it spreads out making the timeframe just objectively wrong.

the gas spread into outer space no? it shouldn't slow down (except the gravitational effects but it should be extremely low)

 

[DavidTPPM]

the gas spread into outer space no? it shouldn't slow down (except the gravitational effects but it should be extremely low)

I already explained this twice.
The more the gas spreads the more:

1. energy of the sneeze spreads. The less energy the less speed. Imagine it like having a water hose on spray mode vs on jet mode.
2. more gas it's pushing. The increase in the gas that's being pushed directly equates to more energy being necessary to push said gas which again results in less speed. Think of it like pushing a snowball. At first you can even run with it but as it amasses more snow it gets harder the push and you'll become slower and slower.

Both of these result in the gas slowing down as it gets further away from the center of the shockwave at an exponential rate.

Meaning you'd have to calculate how much the gas slows down and apply this slow down rate to the calc to gain the true time frame.

 

[MrTayman616]

I already explained this twice.
The more the gas spreads the more:

1. energy of the sneeze spreads. The less energy the less speed. Imagine it like having a water hose on spray mode vs on jet mode.
2. more gas it's pushing. The increase in the gas that's being pushed directly equates to more energy being necessary to push said gas which again results in less speed. Think of it like pushing a snowball. At first you can even run with it but as it amasses more snow it gets harder the push and you'll become slower and slower.

Both of these result in the gas slowing down as it gets further away from the center of the shockwave at an exponential rate.

Meaning you'd have to calculate how much the gas slows down and apply this slow down rate to the calc to gain the true time frame.

it would be if it wasn't at the outer space. the moment it went outer space, the speed of the gas moving away won't change. yeah sneeze's energy will get affected but it won't affect the speed of the gas that is already at the outer space.

if everything happened to jupiter happened within 0.1 - 0.3 seconds (or 1 second for example), we don't need to find sneeze's energy loss or anything but simply the distance gas went.

 

[DavidTPPM]

it would be if it wasn't at the outer space.

It being outer space matters how exactly here?

the moment it went outer space, the speed of the gas moving away won't change.

It absolutely will tho…

yeah sneeze's energy will get affected but it won't affect the speed of the gas that is already at the outer space.

Brother what are you talking about?

if everything happened to jupiter happened within 0.1 - 0.3 seconds (or 1 second for example), we don't need to find sneeze's energy loss or anything but simply the distance gas went.

We absolutely would tho? If the mass the shockwave is pushing became several times higher and the shockwave became several times more dispersed, the speed of the shockwave would greatly decrease.

 

[MrTayman616]

It being outer space matters how exactly here?

It absolutely will tho…

Brother what are you talking about?

We absolutely would tho? If the mass the shockwave is pushing became several times higher and the shockwave became several times more dispersed, the speed of the shockwave would greatly decrease.

it doesn't matter in this situation. as long as there is no other external force, the gas would move with the same speed.

everything happens within a timeframe, and the gas already went to outerspace where there is no external forces that will slow it down.

 

[DavidTPPM]

it doesn't matter in this situation. as long as there is no other external force, the gas would move with the same speed.

Brother the additional gas IS the external force. I'm not suggesting air resistance is slowing it down, I'm saying it's literally snowballing

everything happens within a timeframe, and the gas already went to outerspace where there is no external forces that will slow it down.

Man… idek anymore. Look. At the start the shockwave was only moving this small amount of gas and had all of its energy concentrated on this small spot.

Then here, the energy is spread on a surface like 50x bigger and it's pushing a LOT more gas as a result.

This means that per m³ there is way less energy and it's pushing way more gas than at the start.
Since there's now more gas and less energy to push it, the speed ay which the gas moves will be much slower. The gas is also moving towards even more gas which will snowball onto the pile, spreading the energy even more and making the mass that's being pushed even higher.

 

[MrTayman616]

Brother the additional gas IS the external force. I'm not suggesting air resistance is slowing it down, I'm saying it's literally snowballing

Man… idek anymore. Look. At the start the shockwave was only moving this small amount of gas and had all of its energy concentrated on this small spot.

Then here, the energy is spread on a surface like 50x bigger and it's pushing a LOT more gas as a result.

This means that per m³ there is way less energy and it's pushing way more gas than at the start.
Since there's now more gas and less energy to push it, the speed ay which the gas moves will be much slower. The gas is also moving towards even more gas which will snowball onto the pile, spreading the energy even more and making the mass that's being pushed even higher.

i might be wrong about it but does it really matter in this case where everything happens within the expulsion state of the sneeze?

it would mean at the first photo, only a part of the sneeze affects jupiter and there is still a huge portion coming from behind that is going to hit jupiter no?

not that all of the energy of the sneeze affected the little part on the surface and then affects the bigger part.

 

[DavidTPPM]

i might be wrong about it but does it really matter in this case where everything happens within the expulsion state of the sneeze?

it would mean at the first photo, only a part of the sneeze affects jupiter and there is still a huge portion coming from behind that is going to hit jupiter no?

not that all of the energy of the sneeze affected the little part on the surface and then affects the bigger part.

No. You completely missed the point. My point was to show how the mass being pushed increases over time and how the energy spreads.

The energy per m³ undeniably decreases with each millimeter the explosion spreads, and the mass that's being pushed undeniably increases. Regardless of how fast it moved in the first 2 panels, it's going to move much slower in the 3rd because the energy:mass ratio is completely different

 

[MrTayman616]

No. You completely missed the point. My point was to show how the mass being pushed increases over time and how the energy spreads.

The energy per m³ undeniably decreases with each millimeter the explosion spreads, and the mass that's being pushed undeniably increases. Regardless of how fast it moved in the first 2 panels, it's going to move much slower in the 3rd because the energy:mass ratio is completely different

No, i understand that. But the energy that hits the jupiter is also increasing considering it's at the expulsion state, even though the mass it has to push is increasing, so does the energy that pushes the mass. Also the fact that the sneeze is ftl and stuff. Tthat's why i'm not sure if it can be calculated like that through only the effect on jupiter, which is why i believe the straightforward method is better.

It should be fine though if it can be calculated though considering these like you said.

 

[DavidTPPM]

No, i understand that. But the energy that hits the jupiter is also increasing

No it's not. The sneeze isn't a long laser beam but a small cloud of particles. And there is absolutely no way of proving the "increase" of energy would be equally proportional to the other 2 factors.

Tthat's why i'm not sure if it can be calculated like that through only the effect on jupiter, which is why i believe the straightforward method is better.

Buddy that's not a straightforward method that's literally just ignoring a large portion of the feat which completely debunks the timeframe.

It should be fine though if it can be calculated though considering these like you said.

Like I said, I doubt it would yield proper results but if you think it would go ahead and calculate it ig