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One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #4

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Quite a few calcs have been remade in the light of certain errors being discovered in previous calcs, this means that a lot of the current scaling chains for Post-Timeskip characters are obsolete and require a thorough examination. Here is a rough list of all the calcs to take into consideration.

  • [1]: 6.78 Tons - [Large Building level+]
Here is the previous thread.

Topics to cover:

  • Deciding how to calc Whitebeard's feats.
  • Implementing the remaining changes for profiles such as the Straw Hats, Doflamingo, some Yonkou Commanders, etc.
Here is a list of all the profiles to cover - some of which have new, estimated ratings already.
 
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So Damage suggested this for Luffy's Dressrosa key;

At least Small City level in base and Gear 2 (One-shot a Pacifista, much stronger than before), likely Mountain level with Gear 3 (Could one-shot Chinjao and forced Doflamingo to dodge or block), Large Mountain level with Gear 4, higher with King Kong Gun (Broke Doflamingo's strings and destroyed a large area of Dressrosa).

Everybody in agreement
 
Thank you Calaca, I've updated the OP.

And yeah Kobster, that's my current suggestion.
 
What I find odd is the Low 7-B for G2. I agree that Base Luffy is below Base Zoro and Sanji but G2 being below them it's strange.
 
I'm still thinking we should go for Whitebeard manipulating the tectonic plates for his Marineford, seeing that's the only way that a underwater explosion can happen. He's also been shown to manipulate them a few times like when he tilted Marineford, and I think the method Damage suggested is KE. I'm also wondering if a compromise could be made, calculating the feat with both methods and adding "At Least_" for the KE end and a "Likely_" for the Tectonic Plates end.
 
Calaca Vs said:
What I find odd is the Low 7-B for G2. I agree that Base Luffy is below Base Zoro and Sanji but G2 being below them it's strange.
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Special Gear 2 techniques like Red Hawk are above the ordinary, but so that the key doesn't become overly long I think it is fine is we put it as At least Small City level, indicating that he can reach higher with Gear 2.
 
Look at it this way;

Luffy showed off his Post-Timeskip skills by one-shotting a Pacifista with Gear 2 and Haki.

Sanji and Zoro showed off their Post-Timeskip skills by one-shotting a Pacifista in base.

At least Small City level makes the most sense for the scaling without running into outliers & feats that don't make sense.

And Luffy will get an improved key for Whole Cake Island and Wano.
 
I'd chalk that up to Luffy using Gear Second and Haki from the get go in character. I don't think it would make very much sense if Zoro and Sanji were stronger than Luffy even when he's amped by Gear Second and amped with Busushoko. We see how much he likes to spam that transformation, I can agree with Zoro and Sanji being stronger than Base Luffy but once he uses Gear Second and Busushoko Haki he should be comparable if not stronger than base Sanji and Zoro. I don't think you'd be able to call it an outlier either since the gap from Low 7-B to 7-A isn't that big along with that fact that Luffy in base was able to damage Doffy and make him spit up blood, and there's also Red Hawk that ruined his day. Point is Gear Second should scale to Zoro and Sanji or above them since he's shown to he consistently around that level.
 
I'll save the discussion of the "new" Whole Cake rating for later. I think Base Luffy was upgraded to At least High 7-A tbh considering even in base he can fight Katakuri and hurt him with no problems.

Base Luffy <<< Base Sanji =< Base Zoro =< G2 Luffy.

That's the way I see it. Base Luffy might be At least High 7-C because he used G2 and Haki, meaning that he can't do that with his base.

BTW, should we put just one durability rating for every Luffy key except for Gears that make him jump tiers? Like Enies Lobby Luffy having just High 7-C durability instead of both At least 7-C and High 7-C. The same'd go for Dressrosa Saga Luffy except for G4's Dura.
 
> that Luffy in base was able to damage Doffy and make him spit up blood

This is the kind of outlier situation I was referring to.

If we say that Doffy is High 7-A for tanking multiple hits from Gear 4 Luffy, then how on Earth does it make sense for base Luffy to be smacking Doffy around?

Either we're heavily overestimating Gear 4, or Luffy hurting him in base just makes no sense.
 
Base Luffy only damaged Doffy after the latter was weakened. It's still an outlier but less of it.
 
That's the point, Luffy has a feat of harming a High 7-A with Gear Second despite it being an outlier. Now Gear Second can't be written off as an outlier if it's scaled to people like base Zoro and Sanji. It would also make sense in verse considering that he's the captain of both of them and Gear Second is an amp that allows him to be stronger. Along with the fact that Luffy one shotting the Pasfista is just a casual showing of its power. To say that Gear Second Post Time Skip Luffy is that much weaker than base Zoro and Sanji doesn't make much sense to me. I'm also pretty sure Luffy fought Smoker who could keep up with Vergo for awhile and damaged him. Vergo should be comparable to Pica, who Zoro and Sanji are stronger than.
 
Saying that he is At least Small City level is not saying he is much weaker than them; it is saying he can deal attacks of that level and he can reach higher than that level. It does not limit him to only Low 7-B attacks.
 
Technically you mean that Luffy with Gear 2nd should fully scale to Zoro's most impressive feat in Dressrosa, since the only reason we're saying Sanji is at that level is that either we're scaling him to Zoro on the assumption that the two are equal, or we're scaling him to Vergo who scales to Pica who scales to below Zoro's feat.

I think that Sanji is generally a lot less impressive than Zoro for most of Post-Timeskip to be honest.

Even his feat against Oven is questionable of being worth High 7-A+. He did a sneak attack on a distracted Oven that resulted in Oven being launched backwards without significant damage.

And I think Oven being High 7-A+ is still something I have a hard time accepting. The man was ran over by Bege's ship easily.
 
Damage3245 said:
Technically you mean that Luffy with Gear 2nd should fully scale to Zoro's most impressive feat in Dressrosa, since the only reason we're saying Sanji is at that level is that either we're scaling him to Zoro on the assumption that the two are equal, or we're scaling him to Vergo who scales to Pica who scales to below Zoro's feat.
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More or less.

Damage3245 said:
I think that Sanji is generally a lot less impressive than Zoro for most of Post-Timeskip to be honest.
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Sanji didn't have many chances to shine like Zoro after the timeskip yes but that doesn't mean Sanji must be below Zoro, they have always been portrayed as comparable in term of strength and speed in the series.

Damage3245 said:
And I think Oven being High 7-A+ is still something I have a hard time accepting. The man was ran over by Bege's ship easily.
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And Gazelleman (who can move at 200 kilometers in an hour) was able to outspeed Luffy and Zoro, when the latter can move at speed far faster than the sound, but i don't think anyone here think that is enough reason do doubt MHS for One Piece High Tiers.

Also, Charlotte Oven's feat was calc to be High 7-A.
 
They were shown to be comparable prior to the timeskip. For it to remain true after the timeskip we'd need feats or statements suggesting it to be true.

I was confused about Oven's calc result being High 7-A or High 7-A+, but I remember that his previous result was 7-A+ and it was throwing me off.

Also, for future reference Gazelleman outpaced Luffy and Zoro IIRC, not Luffy and Law.
 
KobsterHope07 said:
So Damage suggested this for Luffy's Dressrosa key;
At least Small City level in base and Gear 2 (One-shot a Pacifista, much stronger than before), likely Mountain level with Gear 3 (Could one-shot Chinjao and forced Doflamingo to dodge or block), Large Mountain level with Gear 4, higher with King Kong Gun (Broke Doflamingo's strings and destroyed a large area of Dressrosa).

Everybody in agreement
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Personally i had in mind something more like this:

Small City level in Base (Stronger than his Pre Timeskip version), at least City level, likely Mountain level with Gear 2nd (Comparable with Dressrosa Zoro and Punk Hazard Sanji), higher with Gear 3nd, at least Large Mountain level with Gear 4th (Above Doflamingo, who should be stronger than Charlotte Oven, and could partially hold his own again Charlotte Cracker), higher with King Kong Gun.
 
Doflamingo doesn't get his rating from Charlotte Oven - there is nothing to scale them to each other.

And even using your justification or Zoro and Sanji, there is nothing there to justify 'likely Mountain level'.
 
Damage3245 said:
Doflamingo doesn't get his rating from Charlotte Oven - there is nothing to scale them to each other.
And even using your justification or Zoro and Sanji, there is nothing there to justify 'likely Mountain level'.
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Doflamingo was capable to block Diamond Jozu with his strings and was able to fight off Crocodile, who at that time had be potrayed to be tough enough to took an attack from Jozu himself and block Mihawk from attacking Luffy, also Aokiji back in Punk Hazard stated that an Admiral would had be necessary for deal with him.

And for Zoro and Sanji, the latter was able to briefly battle Vergo who is stronger than Pica, while the former was been clearly show to be stronger than Pica, both physically or with his devil fruit power.
 
Doflamingo is only below Cracker, Smoothie and Katakuri.

Zoro and Sanji postTS > Luffy G2, they are easily at Luffy G3 lvl.

The G2 Luffy > Zoro/Sanji is only prets.


P.D: where can one request a calc for a feat?
 
it just seems off to put Luffy at only small city level, then he jumps to large city level with one gear. This is especially odd when its not even his strongest gear. Gear fourth has that distinction and we can't even get Damage to agree to a relatively minimal boost of three times over. Gear 3multiplies his power twenty times over but Gear four doesn't make him budge at all?
 
@Ronnijuro

Sorry but saying that both Base Zoro and Sanji are at G3 Luffy's level is hilarious. I'd concede that they are above G2 with their amps but nowhere near G3.
 
Physicallly, Cracker is above that of Doflamingo, able to pierce Boundman Luffy while Doffy's attacks merely bounce off the rubber ball that is Luffy
 
Calaca Vs said:
@Ronnijuro
Sorry but saying that both Base Zoro and Sanji are at G3 Luffy's level is hilarious. I'd concede that they are above G2 with their amps but nowhere near G3.
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I didn't said Base Zoro/Sanji.
 
Dr.Fix said:
it just seems off to put Luffy at only small city level, then he jumps to large city level with one gear. This is especially odd when its not even his strongest gear. Gear fourth has that distinction and we can't even get Damage to agree to a relatively minimal boost of three times over. Gear 3multiplies his power twenty times over but Gear four doesn't make him budge at all?
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The Gear 4 multiplier would downgrade Luffy. Why would you want me to agree to that?
 
Calaca Vs said:
In any case only Cracker's Armament is above Doffy's.
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Mistranslation. Luffy doesn't say that Cracker's Haki is higher unless you're referring to something else?
 
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