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One Piece: Massive Speed Revision, Part 2: Post Timeskip

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I'm not in the mood for no bs today (certain people know why #1042) so let's just cut to the chase.

We have speed revisions to do. We're not done yet. Our speed looks horrid and it's still the same. Let's finish this so we can edit them all.

Now let this be known I haven't touched this sandbox in forever and I just edited it now.

No, you cannot edit the sandbox. No, you cannot change anything in the sandbox. Do not ask that this thread.

Calcs and Values​

These are the calcs and values. Same from last thread.
  • A-1 = Relativistic (>0.33c)
  • A-2 = At least Relativistic (>0.42c)
  • A-3 = Relativistic+ (>0.59c)
  • A-4 = FTL (3.61c)
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KingTempest16/One Piece Speed (Post Timeskip)

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Don't talk about "Nobody can be FTL" we're not doing this today.

Discuss
 
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This is straightforward.


I'd suggest posting any multipliers or anything that affects speed rather than making it later down the road. The full speed values should be our main priority, I'd rather not take months to finish this.
 
Had a quick read through the justifications and it looks good.

Only issue I see is Queen having higher with zoan form. Also I don't remember how we treat Jinbe Vs Big Mom but would his feats against her warrant A4 reactions or just A4 speed in general?
 
Just noticed for Zoro's speed justification instead of leaving his lai justification blank it can mention him blitzing hody Jones under water who was able to react to Zoro's regular attacks.
 
Is Chapter 1042 going to be that bad?

Anyway, this looks mostly pretty good. However, imo, Doffy somewhat scales to Bound Man. Except for BM Luffy blitzing him once and hitting him with that second Culverin (which was really due to Doffy not expecting Python to be a homing attack), there are more examples of Doffy keeping up with BM Luffy.

  • When BM Luffy attacked with Kong Gun, Doflamingo was fast enough to put up his guard and apply Armament Haki to his arms.
  • Covered the left side of his face in Armament Haki right before BM Luffy landed Rhino Schneider, despite losing sight of him.
  • He easily dodged Culverin and counterattacked.
  • Was quick enough to block Double Culverin with Off-White.
  • Contended with BM Luffy largely off-panel for over 20 minutes in Chapter 785 after his Awakening reveal, with it implied Luffy was never able to lay another hand on him until we see him get hit with Leo Bazooka.
  • Covered his torso in Armament Haki in an attempt to protect himself faster than Luffy could hit him with Leo Bazooka.

Due to the whole panties comment throwing Big Mom off-guard before he blitzes her, I still think Brook's speed feat against her is an outlier.

Also, while it's true the Dwarves were initially faster than Robin's sight, you can see her sight adjust to their speed. That's how she was able to catch Kabu in Chapter 710 and Leo in Chapter 738 even after he runs off.

And Robin was also capable of reacting to Overdosed Hyouzou.

Other than that, nice job as always!
 
Don't really agree with that... When luffy showcases his speed he usually blitzes doffy

Here he showcased his power
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Here he showcased his speed
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Completely blitzing his movement speed

Here luffy isn't even utilizing his speed to hit doffy, he's just attacking via stretching his limbs
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/28b407578a920e065a3d8f1280afe1fe/179.jpg
Here we see even luffy's stretching his limbs is faster than doffy
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/28b407578a920e065a3d8f1280afe1fe/180-181.jpghttps://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/184.jpg

Here doffy needed to use his awakening to even keep up by utilizing AOE
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/189.jpghttps://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/190.jpg
Yet still didn't stop luffy and outpaced him and his awakening
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/198-199.jpghttps://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/200-201.jpg

And then KKG which also looks like it blitzed Doffy's movement speed
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/0386e594542cfd779c26523b9fc10db3/096-097.jpg

Doffy couldn't keep up with gear 4th at all, Could only react to him.
 
Since we can finally focus on Speed, i would like to bring again my calc of Post-Timeskip Luffy dodging Pacifista's laser back in the discussion.

@Damage3245 you say that my calc may "suffer from the same issue as one of the earlier calcs", can you explain better what exactly are you referring?
 
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RoronoaxRobin said:
Due to the whole panties comment throwing Big Mom off-guard before he blitzes her, I still think Brook's speed feat against her is an outlier.
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He did it in wano as well, it wasn't due to the comment
RoronoaxRobin said:
And Robin was also capable of reacting to Overdosed Hyouzou.
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She could scale with reactions but it's probably more likely she just reacted to the people commenting about Hyouzou considering she wasn't able to react/do anything until he was almost on top of her and that still may only have been due to Zoro stopping him.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Since we can finally focus on Speed, i would like to bring again my calc of Post-Timeskip Luffy dodging Pacifista's laser back in the discussion.

@Damage3245 say that my calc may "suffer from the same issue as one of the earlier calcs", can you explain better what exactly are you referring?
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Oh, yeah. I'll go back through the earlier thread to refresh myself and write up an explanation here later today.
 
Uhhh, given how Ichiji, and Carrot both have A-3 combat speeds, and how Katakuri stomped both with relative ease, adding that to his very apparent superiority to the other brothers at least from a narrative stand point, I think it's safe to put Katakuri as A-3, full on.

It makes no sense to me how both characters portrayed as inferior to Katakuri are faster than him in combat.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Don't really agree with that... When luffy showcases his speed he usually blitzes doffy

Here he showcased his power
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/28b407578a920e065a3d8f1280afe1fe/172-173.jpg
Here he showcased his speed
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/28b407578a920e065a3d8f1280afe1fe/176.jpghttps://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/28b407578a920e065a3d8f1280afe1fe/177.jpg
Completely blitzing his movement speed

Here luffy isn't even utilizing his speed to hit doffy, he's just attacking via stretching his limbs
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/28b407578a920e065a3d8f1280afe1fe/179.jpg
Here we see even luffy's stretching his limbs is faster than doffy
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/28b407578a920e065a3d8f1280afe1fe/180-181.jpghttps://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/184.jpg

Here doffy needed to use his awakening to even keep up by utilizing AOE
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/189.jpghttps://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/190.jpg
Yet still didn't stop luffy and outpaced him and his awakening
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/198-199.jpghttps://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/c90d916b7ea7808750de65c198d1e9c6/200-201.jpg

And then KKG which also looks like it blitzed Doffy's movement speed
https://****************/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_617f9817c8904/0386e594542cfd779c26523b9fc10db3/096-097.jpg

Doffy couldn't keep up with gear 4th at all, Could only react to him.
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And I don't really agree with you.

When BM Luffy showcased his power with Kong Gun, Doffy was still fast enough to put his guard up and protect his arms with Armament Haki

Yes Bound Man blitzed Doffy. But you do realize that Doffy was showcasing his speed as well by being quick enough to protect his face with Armament Haki before BM Luffy even landed RS, right?

Saying Luffy isn't even utilizing his speed to hit Doffy, but is attacking via stretching out his limbs is such bs. It doesn't matter. Luffy tried to attack him and Doffy was quick enough to evade him and counterattack.

I've already mentioned how Doffy only got hit by that second Culverin because he wasn't expecting that Python to be a homing attack, it wasn't because it was faster than him.

You claiming Doffy needed his Awakening just to even keep up is straight up false.

You do know Luffy didn't outpace Doffy and his Awakening until after over 20 minutes, right?

Even if you try to use the KKG scene, Doffy still has more arguments in his favor than against him. Also, you just said just Doffy via Awakening was keeping up, now you say he couldn't keep up with Gear 4th at all. Make up your mind. And also, you're now saying he could only react to BM Luffy? Well if Doffy can only react to him, then he scales.
 
Yes Bound Man blitzed Doffy. But you do realize that Doffy was showcasing his speed as well by being quick enough to protect his face with Armament Haki before BM Luffy even landed RS, right?
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That just requires reactions, not comparable speed.
 
RoronoaxRobin said:
Is Chapter 1042 going to be that bad?

Anyway, this looks mostly pretty good. However, imo, Doffy somewhat scales to Bound Man. Except for BM Luffy blitzing him once and hitting him with that second Culverin (which was really due to Doffy not expecting Python to be a homing attack), there are more examples of Doffy keeping up with BM Luffy.

  • When BM Luffy attacked with Kong Gun, Doflamingo was fast enough to put up his guard and apply Armament Haki to his arms.
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Precognition with Observation.
RoronoaxRobin said:
  • Covered the left side of his face in Armament Haki right before BM Luffy landed Rhino Schneider, despite losing sight of him.
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Precognition with Observation.
RoronoaxRobin said:
  • He easily dodged Culverin and counterattacked.
  • Was quick enough to block Double Culverin with Off-White.
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Precognition with Observation
RoronoaxRobin said:
  • Contended with BM Luffy largely off-panel for over 20 minutes in Chapter 785 after his Awakening reveal, with it implied Luffy was never able to lay another hand on him until we see him get hit with Leo Bazooka.
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Danmaku and Observation, not combat speed.
RoronoaxRobin said:
  • Covered his torso in Armament Haki in an attempt to protect himself faster than Luffy could hit him with Leo Bazooka.
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Precognition with Observation.
RoronoaxRobin said:
Due to the whole panties comment throwing Big Mom off-guard before he blitzes her, I still think Brook's speed feat against her is an outlier.
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I agree that Brook blitzing a character of that caliber feels like an outlier, given the factor she is confused.
 
Eminiteable said:
He did it in wano as well, it wasn't due to the comment

She could scale with reactions but it's probably more likely she just reacted to the people commenting about Hyouzou considering she wasn't able to react/do anything until he was almost on top of her and that still may only have been due to Zoro stopping him.
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Brook blitzed Big Mom in Wano? I honestly don't remember that one. Do you remember which chapter it happened in?

I see what you're saying about Robin reacting to Hyouzou, but when he tries to blitz her, she reacts, and then you can see her already standing ready to defend herself while Zoro's in the middle of blocking Hyouzou's attack. That's why I brought it up.

https://***********.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-639-page-17.html

https://***********.com/read-online/One-Piece-Digital-Colored-Comics-chapter-639-page-18.html
 
RoronoaxRobin said:
Is Chapter 1042 going to be that bad?
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RoronoaxRobin said:
Anyway, this looks mostly pretty good.
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Thanks
RoronoaxRobin said:
However, imo, Doffy somewhat scales to Bound Man. Except for BM Luffy blitzing him once and hitting him with that second Culverin (which was really due to Doffy not expecting Python to be a homing attack), there are more examples of Doffy keeping up with BM Luffy.

  • When BM Luffy attacked with Kong Gun, Doflamingo was fast enough to put up his guard and apply Armament Haki to his arms.
  • Covered the left side of his face in Armament Haki right before BM Luffy landed Rhino Schneider, despite losing sight of him.
  • He easily dodged Culverin and counterattacked.
  • Was quick enough to block Double Culverin with Off-White.
  • Contended with BM Luffy largely off-panel for over 20 minutes in Chapter 785 after his Awakening reveal, with it implied Luffy was never able to lay another hand on him until we see him get hit with Leo Bazooka.
  • Covered his torso in Armament Haki in an attempt to protect himself faster than Luffy could hit him with Leo Bazooka.
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possibly at least A-3 reactions then.
RoronoaxRobin said:
Due to the whole panties comment throwing Big Mom off-guard before he blitzes her, I still think Brook's speed feat against her is an outlier.
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Eminiteable said:
He did it in wano as well, it wasn't due to the comment
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RoronoaxRobin said:
Brook blitzed Big Mom in Wano? I honestly don't remember that one. Do you remember which chapter it happened in
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RoronoaxRobin said:
Also, while it's true the Dwarves were initially faster than Robin's sight, you can see her sight adjust to their speed. That's how she was able to catch Kabu in Chapter 710 and Leo in Chapter 738 even after he runs off.
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Fair
RoronoaxRobin said:
And Robin was also capable of reacting to Overdosed Hyouzou.
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A-3 reactions
RoronoaxRobin said:
Other than that, nice job as always!
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Thanks!
 
RoronoaxRobin said:
Even if you try to use the KKG scene, Doffy still has more arguments in his favor than against him. Also, you just said just Doffy via Awakening was keeping up, now you say he couldn't keep up with Gear 4th at all. Make up your mind.
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Here doffy needed to use his awakening to even keep up by utilizing AOE

Don't twist words, I said he needed his awakening to keep up by utilizing AOE

Doffy himself couldn't keep up with luffy at all.

RoronoaxRobin said:
And also, you're now saying he could only react to BM Luffy? Well if Doffy can only react to him, then he scales.
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No he doesn't... Only thing that's scales is his reaction which is helped by observation haki

The same way luffy blitz Boa Sandersonia's movement speed but could still react via observation haki
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RoronoaxRobin said:
When BM Luffy showcased his power with Kong Gun, Doffy was still fast enough to put his guard up and protect his arms with Armament Haki
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again... Already said luffy wasn't utilizing his speed but showcasing his power by compressing his punch to fire last moment
RoronoaxRobin said:
Saying Luffy isn't even utilizing his speed to hit Doffy, but is attacking via stretching out his limbs is such bs. It doesn't matter. Luffy tried to attack him and Doffy was quick enough to evade him and counterattack.
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Luffy stood still and was tanking the hit showcasing his durability and how he's still rubber with armament

RoronoaxRobin said:
I've already mentioned how Doffy only got hit by that second Culverin because he wasn't expecting that Python to be a homing attack, it wasn't because it was faster than him.
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I guess?
 
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GodlyCharmander said:
Uhhh, given how Ichiji, and Carrot both have A-3 combat speeds, and how Katakuri stomped both with relative ease, adding that to his very apparent superiority to the other brothers at least from a narrative stand point, I think it's safe to put Katakuri as A-3, full on.

It makes no sense to me how both characters portrayed as inferior to Katakuri are faster than him in combat.
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Both of them have superior combat speed feats.

Most of his feats scale to reactions.

Unless we either
A. Make the feats where base Luffy keeping up with Katakuri reaction feats
B. Several consistent outliers
 
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