One Piece: Haki and Devil Fruits

[Damage3245]

So this CRT was pretty much inevitable since Chapter 1063 came out and I hardly ever get a chance to start these discussions so I thought I'd take the initiative.

In chapter 1063, Doc Q uses his Sick-Sick fruit powers to infect Law's crew with a Feminization Disease. Law states that from his fight with the two Emperors, he learned that intense Haki can break through Devil Fruit powers and he reverses the gender swap that was performed on him.

This is a follow up to the scene in chapter 1009 where Law states that Big Mom's and Kaidou's Haki is so strong than he cannot teleport them in order to separate the two of them.

Since the evidence for this is mounting up, and it will probably come up again repeatedly in the future chapters of the manga, I think we should modify the Haki page to include this:

This note would go underneath the Reactive Power Level and Accelerated Development part of the Haki page.

Feel free to post if there is anything else that should be included in this addition.

 

[KingTempest]

Smoker was also able to resist Law's abilities which Tashigi couldn't do

It should be noted that haki being activated can nullifying already existing effects that affected them prior to Haki activation as well, as Law nullified Doc Q's ability after he was transformed

But this is a good thread, so nice job

 

[Fireld]

So soon?

This note would go underneath the Reactive Power Level and Accelerated Development part of the Haki page.

Reactive Power Level has now becaome a sub-type of Accelerated Development, so shouldn't we merge RPL & AD sections of the Haki page into one?

Smoker was also able to resist Law's abilities which Tashigi couldn't do

Didn't Doflamingo counter Law's spatial cuts with his buso strings, Dressrosa Base Luffy had comperable haki level to Doffy, but Law could still teleport both?

 

[KingTempest]

Didn't Doflamingo counter Law's spatial cuts with his buso strings,

I don't think so, probably

Dressrosa Base Luffy had comperable haki level to Doffy, but Law could still teleport both?

Weren't utilizing haki while they were being teleported

 

[Damage3245]

Not all abilities should be necessarily assumed to require the same amount of Haki. Just because somebody can stop Law's spatial slicing doesn't mean they can automatically stop themselves being teleported too.

Law also said this he learnt about this feature of Haki from his fight with the Emperors, so that's primarily where the negation comes from.

 

[LordGinSama]

Looks good but you should add tags to get more attention.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Didn't Doflamingo counter Law's spatial cuts with his buso strings

He doesn't fully resist it tho with his haki

 

[KingTempest]

He fully resisted it. He just bled from the force

 

[Fireld]

I don't think so, probably

He doesn't fully resist it tho with his haki

I though his spatial cuts didn't make people bleed? Also i said buso strings.

 

[KingTempest]

I though his spatial cuts didn't make people bleed?

That wasn't a spatial cut. It was a regular stab

Also i said buso strings.

Yeah that's better

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I though his spatial cuts didn't make people bleed?

Well if you don't fully resist you'll bleed instead... doffy's haki isn't fully resisting law's haki since it's not strong enough like yonkos haki

 

[KingTempest]

Well if you don't fully resist you'll bleed instead... doffy's haki isn't fully resisting law's haki since it's not strong enough like yonkos haki

no

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

no

Bro you said it's a stab... But saying this

Yeah that's better

better when he's just blocking?

Law and doffy was still inside room when law tried to stab, both are doffy resisting law's ability

 

[KingTempest]

Bro you said it's a stab... But saying this

better when he's just blocking?

That's a slash

Law and doffy was still inside room when law tried to stab, both are doffy resisting

Law doesn't use amputate with stabs

 

[SnookB]

Also should we note that powerful enough Haki (yonko tier) is nearly passively resisting whereas Haki users on the level of Law need to use great amounts actively to undo an effect?

 

[Damage3245]

We don't know if it is "passive". For all we know Big Mom and Kaidou were just constantly flexing their Haki through that portion of the fight.

 

[KingTempest]

Definitely not passive per se, they just used it constantly

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Law doesn't use amputate with stabs

 

[KingTempest]

nevermind

the attack on people isn't an amputate based ability, but the effect on the surrounding is

 

[SnookB]

We don't know if it is "passive". For all we know Big Mom and Kaidou were just constantly flexing their Haki through that portion of the fight.

Nevermind that, I think Kaido's stated to be covered in haki constantly on a durability related bit in one of the books. Emin linked it a while ago, I'll try and find it. And Big Mom's an iron balloon due to her haki as well if I'm not mistaken.
Constantly Haki output on that level seems to negate abilities off the rib, but Law needed a more powerful concentration (likely because he can't emit that level with ease unlike the yonko)

 

[Kachon123]

Amputate =/= Injection Shot

 

[Damage3245]

nevermind

the attack on people isn't an amputate based ability, but the effect on the surrounding is

The building was probably slashed by Law after the Injection Shot; not as a result of it.

 

[KingTempest]

The building was probably slashed by Law after the Injection Shot; not as a result of it.

nah, we see that law didn't slash anything. it's from the injection shot

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

the attack on people isn't an amputate based ability, but the effect on the surrounding is

Here he didn't use Injection Shot, he just stabbed... Which should be the same as Amputate

 

[KingTempest]

Here he didn't use Injection Shot, he just stabbed... Which should be the same as Amputate

amputate is a slash

 

[Kachon123]

Doffy negated the ability (Amputate), but the force from Law cutting still harmed him.

 

[SnookB]

Here he didn't use Injection Shot, he just stabbed... Which should be the same as Amputate

Doesn't that still prove that Doflamingo's body would've been split if he didn't resist it? He got hit by the offense of it but not the hax of the room itself.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Doesn't that still prove that Doflamingo's body would've been split if he didn't resist it?

I'm saying he did resist.... But not fully because he's bleeding, now whatever other interpretation you guys have, I'm not going to debate

Doffy negated the ability (Amputate), but the force from Law cutting still harmed him.

Will just be a waste of time... Since then I would need to prove that haki was the reason he was bleeding not the cut

Basically the haki overpowering thing... Boundman luffy and doffy and stuff

Anyway bye

 

[Kachon123]

haki was the reason he was bleeding not the cut

What?

 

[SnookB]

Man disagreed through an agreement how does that happen

 

[Damage3245]

nah, we see that law didn't slash anything. it's from the injection shot

Well, we wouldn't since it is a zoomed out panel.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

What?

Basically the haki overpowering thing... Boundman luffy and doffy and stuff

One Piece: Busoshoku Haki Potency and Buso Layers Scaling

First things first we have a clear heirarchy of Haki Potencies in the series. These will be the mechanics for finding out their potency. Scaling Methods of Buso A devil fruit power from a Haki user failing to work on another Haki user means the other Haki user is relative to (or superior to)...

vsbattles.com

Mean this

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

amputate is a slash

Is a cut

Skill 2【切断】
"ROOM"の空間に入った者を切断。斬られた者はバラバラになってしまうが、死ぬ事はなく出血もしない不思議な技だ。

Skill 2【Disconnection】.
Cutting a person who enters the "ROOM" space. The cut person is dismembered, but does not die or bleed.

 

[KingTempest]

Is a cut

The damage dealt is a cut, but the method of producing it is a slash

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

The damage dealt is a cut, but the method of producing it is a slash

Isn't a slash where you slide your arm to cut? And stab is to pierce in a forward motion, which is why I said cut instead of just slash

 

[KingTempest]

Isn't a slash where you slide your arm to cut? And stab is to pierce in a forward motion, which is why I said cut instead of just slash

ok

anyways damage what else needs to be done here

 

[Damage3245]

ok

anyways damage what else needs to be done here

I'll add the points about Doflamingo and Smoker to the note. Aside from that, I think it's fine.

 

[Fireld]

What about this?

Reactive Power Level has now become a sub-type of Accelerated Development, so shouldn't we merge RPL & AD sections of the Haki page into one?

 

[Damage3245]

I'll just combine the two sections.

 

[Naeblis495]

Counter argument : Doc Q's statement clearly infer that it's the target's bounty ammount that allow them to resist the effects

All kidding aside, the repeated feats and statements are quite clear and i agree.