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I calced Hajrudin punching Machvise.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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My least favorite is jinbe, he doesn't really have any great personal moments outside of vague good achievements that he has done and is doing
Btw you can vote multiple times, I believe once a day
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Hajrudin was able to shake the whole bird cage with his force, while the multiple meteors was unable to do that
Soo you might have more information or scaling you could use there
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If you can write a good justification text for superhuman stamina, you can probably modify his page with it.
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Scans?
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The problem with that is that the meteor's are contentious in the first place, which are undeservedly disregarded due to "breaking KE rules" despite there being a perfectly reasonable explanation.
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They aren't disapproved/rejected tho, every op calc can be contentious but I get what you mean
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That's the last thing I heard about them. That they break KE rules, so I assumed they were actually rejected.
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the "KE rules" being that it should've damaged dressrosa more... Even tho we literally see the birdcage stop it's momentum so it ain't even valid to begin with
The blue sfx's imply that the meteor slowed down after getting sliced
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In the manga, it seems quite clear to me that the meteors weren't significantly slowed as they passed through the Birdcage. If they did, then the lead meteor would've been hit by the meteors behind it after it impacted the Birdcage, or they all would've been bunched up against the surface of the Birdcage as each of them slowed down instead of them all passing through in a continuous line.
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getting slowed down doesn't mean 110000 m / s to 10 m / s instantly, and then the meteors are coming in from an angle, so they have more time to drop downwards and not crash into each other... The people running away and screaming while it's falling also proves that as well
Also that wouldn't even be true as the meteors aren't even directly behind one another, as seen even when they land
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A fodder marine had enough time to warn others about the meteor after hitting the birdcage and the only other person to react is Sabo. Someone we know for sure is fast enough to react prior to hitting the cage.
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One Piece: Dressrosa Meteor Kinetic Energy Rules
A thread passed stating that the meteors break Kinetic Energy rules due to the calculation of the meteors flying from the atmosphere not equaling the damage. This is flawed. The thread deduced that because the strings effectively took 0.011545454% of the energy due to surface area, the speed...
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Here are my thoughts on it.
A. Theres a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why the aftermath doesn't match the KE of the meteors which is the strings halting their momentum.
B. If a character were to punch a meteor and halt its movement, do we scale the character by the surface area of their punch? No, we scale them to the power of the meteor.
What's more likely? That the strings absorbed over 99% of the KE or the strings absorbed less than 0.1% and the rest disappeared into thin air?
A. Theres a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why the aftermath doesn't match the KE of the meteors which is the strings halting their momentum.
B. If a character were to punch a meteor and halt its movement, do we scale the character by the surface area of their punch? No, we scale them to the power of the meteor.
What's more likely? That the strings absorbed over 99% of the KE or the strings absorbed less than 0.1% and the rest disappeared into thin air?
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I've been thinking about this for a bit and should Bajrang Gun get the 4x value from Gear 4th?
"Gear 4th's compression, and Gear 5th's expansion" is part of the justification for it being higher than the previous value.
"At least 4x stronger than his Gear 3rd thanks to the compressive strength of Gear 4th." Is the justification for Gear 4th.
So, with Bajrang Gun, Luffy is not only expanding his fist but also compressing it like with Gear 4th meaning that the logic of the 4x multiplier should also apply here.
59.44 x 4 = 237.76 Zettatons
"Gear 4th's compression, and Gear 5th's expansion" is part of the justification for it being higher than the previous value.
"At least 4x stronger than his Gear 3rd thanks to the compressive strength of Gear 4th." Is the justification for Gear 4th.
So, with Bajrang Gun, Luffy is not only expanding his fist but also compressing it like with Gear 4th meaning that the logic of the 4x multiplier should also apply here.
59.44 x 4 = 237.76 Zettatons
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Yea, Above Average Stamina makes 0 sense. Not even Athletic Stamina? Killer's stamina by all means is Superhuman.
Fought alongside everyone else on roof top and recovered faster than Kid
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I would argue the justification is actually already on his profile, just without the scans for some reason.If you can write a good justification text for superhuman stamina, you can probably modify his page with it.
You can arguably add the fight with zoro too
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I figured it was probably a mistake while putting in Intelligence lol
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It definitely seems more like a mistake than an actual rating he should have...not to mention "Above Average" isn't even apart of the Stamina tiers.
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Monkey D. Luffy vs Mori Jin [0-0-0]
OOH OOH AAH AAH Monkey D. Luffy (Final Saga) Attack Potency: up to at least 59.44 Zettatons with Gear 5th, higher with Conqueror's Haki Infusion, even higher over time, higher with Bajrang Gun Durability: 3.014 Zettatons with Gear 5th, 59.44 Zettatons with Armament Haki Lifting Strength...
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Monkey D. Luffy vs Mori Jin [0-0-0]
OOH OOH AAH AAH Monkey D. Luffy (Final Saga) Attack Potency: up to at least 59.44 Zettatons with Gear 5th, higher with Conqueror's Haki Infusion, even higher over time, higher with Bajrang Gun Durability: 3.014 Zettatons with Gear 5th, 59.44 Zettatons with Armament Haki Lifting Strength...
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Didn't Big Mom one shot him with a bolt from Zeus?Fought alongside everyone else on roof top and recovered faster than Kid
He got up about 2 minutes later but it still happened
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He recovered better than Kid, which means his stamina should be least as good.
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I calculated the LS value for the Gura-Gura no mi shaking the planet. Pre Stellar LS meta incoming?
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Named attack (Indra) that he quickly recovered from, wouldn't call it a one-shot, regardless, Kid and Killer fight alongside each other for a lot of rooftop, having similar stamina showings.
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I meant the Indra bolt he took during the rooftop. I think what you posted was the aftermath of Fulgora, which was from Hera, not Zeus.
Maybe not a one shot but imo it shows his stamina isn't on the level of Kidd. Plus Kidd fought Big Mom for a while, Killer can't really do that.
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Fair
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I really wouldn't categorise that feat as being Lifting Strength.
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It's mass undergoing acceleration, how is it not Lifting Strength?
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What is he LIFTING
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He can't do that because he doesn't have as much power as Kid. His stamina should not be significantly different than Kid's, or everyone else on the rooftop. Characters like Usopp and Nami have far higher stamina, which makes no sense.
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same swordsman, different lizard
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Roronoa Zoro vs Godzilla [0-0-0]
wait... that isnt kaidou... Roronoa Zoro (Beginning of Timeskip) Attack Potency: 200.99 Gigatons, higher with Armament Haki, 17.253 Teratons with Strongest Attacks Durability: 200.99 Gigatons, higher with Armament Haki, 17.253 Teratons with Nine-Sword Style Lifting Strength: 167.572 trillion...
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What factors would disqualify this feat from being valid?
Vibrations create movement. Movement involves Mass and Acceleration. Force = Mass * Acceleration.
The movement being caused by quakes and not physically doesnt render the feat itself invalid, it only changes how a character scales to it. Whitebeard would be (At least Class P physically, Pre Stellar with Gura-Gura no mi)
The Lifting Strength page doesn't say anything about how a feat like this wouldn't be valid. Shaking something still requires force.
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Shaking something by grabbing and moving it is not the same as shaking something as hitting it.
Literally anything with movement involves mass and acceleration. Am I gonna say me sending someone flying with a headbutt is lifting strength?
No.
It is not lifting strength
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That force is made from impact tho, lifting would only work whenever he tilted the tectonic plates which is not shaking or a quake
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Would be funny af though
