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They didn't have the duel because they had to decide who was the stronger one of them.... They had the duel because each of them wanted the job so they fought it out.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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and the stronger one would be the one who got the rank...
a dual again isn't needed if that position has nothing to do with strength, Sengoku recommend Aokiji via his power and potentials, others recommended Akainu... They had a dual to figure out who was superior and more fit to be a fleet admiral
Legit it's right in your face but you guys are still ignoring everything, a fleet admiral is stronger than the admirals the same way a captain would have to be stronger than the rest of his crew
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You don't fight someone for ten days straight and not be comparable to that person. This shit is literally Akainu>======Aokiji.
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OK..? Akainu still came out on top so it doesn't matter... Like when did I ever say aokiji wasn't comparable?
Aokiji and Akainu had the potentials to be fleet admiral, appointed by people who have haki also... Both are >~ Admirals
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And how do you know Borsalino or Fujitora(I think I'm spelling that right) aren't superior? Right, we don't.
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because they're in a lower rank... Otherwise they would've been appointed that position and done a 1v1 for confirmation or something if needed
You can't say we don't know, when it literally says higher rank = higher combat ability
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And Smoker is dogshit in scaling, do we want to say he's stupid strong cause he's a vice admiral? But sure, I suppose that Akainu got so much stronger because he was given a rank and can still be slightly pushed around by Borsalino from time to time, eh?
Not mentioning the guy who's cheating in the vice admiral spot of course. You know who I'm talking about.
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Old Sengoku>Akainu by the way, because Fleet Admiral supposedly MUST be stronger than any single admiral!
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uhh... Yes? His post timeskip legit fit to be a vice admiral?
No... He got the rank because he was already stronger
Akainu still has the final say...
Just stop
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yes... Old Sengoku > pre timeskip akainu
Pre Akainu >~ pre Aokji < post Aokiji < Old Garp ~ or >~ Old Sengoku
legit shown and confirmed
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And then thrown in the dumpster by Teach, keep on believing what you do man, I'm sure it'll make the inconsistencies with rank=power go away.
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Sengoku would have been stronger than the admirals when he was appointed FA and then held the position. It’s not like you get demoted when an admiral surpasses you.
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Statements about their prime selves don't apply to the old selves~Lol
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Their showings still supports them being similar to that statement
Legit...
Higher rank = higher combat ability was getting confirmed and supported throughout the whole of egghead arc
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They were appointed the position because of morals
You think Sengoku appointed Aokiji cause he thinks he's stronger than Akainu?
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The Five Elders are the highest ranked individuals in the entire verse and they're getting hurt by Vice Admiral level straw hats
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Sengoku recommended him... Because he aligns more with aokiji's personality than Akainu, the one who got appointed was someone else instead though and was the stronger one
both hade the potential, one was superior... That simple
Having stronger durability doesn't mean you're automatically stronger... The elders was competing with Gear 5 in stats when fighting, the admiral wasn't.
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Oh, so they were recommended BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONALITIES AND RHETORIC, not their strength.
Monkey if you have 2 people who qualify and they choose to decide by a coin toss, it doesn't mean that luck is a deciding factor.
Therefore if you have 2 people who qualify and they choose to decide by a fight, it doesn't mean that strength is a factor.
This is why when people disagree on anything they fight, and whoever wins the fight "was right" and whoever lost "was wrong". It doesn't mean the truthteller is based on who is stronger.
The Fleet Admiral position being decided by a fight ≠ Fleet Admiral position being measured by strength. One time tiebreaker, not general measurement.
Franky was manhandling Saturn.
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both.
... Uhh it kinda does still? But this is a false equivalence
No... They don't fight, they compete to see who's better or more fit in that profession
They do not fight, if a fight is needed for confirmation, then the strengths of the two matter when it comes to the position they'll be in
one time tiebreaker because of Aokiji having also the potential and Strength of being fleet admiral
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That's not stated anywhere. Aokiji didn't fight to see who'd be the stronger Fleet Admiral; he fought because he was opposed to Akainu being the leader of the Marines and after he lost he didn't want to work underneath Akainu.
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I'm legit talking in general and you know that
They faught to be the fleet admiral, that proves it's about strength... You guys are trying so hard to slip away from that fact
The ones that appoints, used strength as a measure to appoint someone to that position... They could've completely ignored the dual and appointed aokiji if strength wasn't a factor
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They couldn't, because Akainu and Aokiji had an agreement not to quarrel with the outcome.
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that legit means nothing to what I said, they don't have any right to disagree if they lose is what it says
They didn't come to some sort of agreement to not quarrel, Aokiji would've stayed in the marines if that were the case
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So if you and I fight irl to see what rating should be added on the profiles, does it mean the stronger fighter is the better debater?
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No.. But if it DOES get added, then that would mean strength would matter to be a better debater in vsbw specifically
Its up to Ant at that point if he thinks the better fighter gets to have the position to have the final say
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Can someone remind me what's the commotion all about?
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Was Something about Akainu being a better fleet admiral via the statement of having made the navy stronger than 2 years ago and how people are interpreting that to now this... Saying ranks basically aren't about strength, specifically admirals and above because admiral have the "strongest force" statement
(even tho it blatantly says something else with how higher rank = higher combat ability)
(even tho it blatantly says something else with how higher rank = higher combat ability)
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This is the dumbest point of view I have ever seen in my life.
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you have no life
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Hypocriteyou have no life
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Nah... Also isn't it called something else..? Ironic? Idk
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Nah like I actually don't understand tho... Do you guys like debating? It's soo boring and trash to me, the only thing I like about vsbw is the; trying to find the most accurate stats and information on characters
But you guys literally like/do debating more than trying to find that
how is that life
Like I think by trying to find accurate stats and examining abilities, it expands and extends the thing that you like for everyone and yourself
That's basically how I see it since you get more depth and understanding of the characters, giving you more immersion kinda
Maybe it's just the human side of you guys always needing drama and conflict
But you guys literally like/do debating more than trying to find that
how is that lifeLike I think by trying to find accurate stats and examining abilities, it expands and extends the thing that you like for everyone and yourself
That's basically how I see it since you get more depth and understanding of the characters, giving you more immersion kinda
Maybe it's just the human side of you guys always needing drama and conflict
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First time posting in the one piece thread, but trust me, they are an odd ball.
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Potential Top 5 of the verse (in their prime)? 
1) Joyboy
2) Imu
3) Rocks D. Xebec
4) Gol D. Roger
5) Monkey D. Garp
1) Joyboy
2) Imu
3) Rocks D. Xebec
4) Gol D. Roger
5) Monkey D. Garp
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Whitebeard > Garp for surePotential Top 5 of the verse (in their prime)?
1) Joyboy
2) Imu
3) Rocks D. Xebec
4) Gol D. Roger
5) Monkey D. Garp
Shanks and Mihawk are likely superior to Roger and Xebec as well.
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3, 4 and 5 can be replaced with Shanks, Mihawk and Dragon. Offscreen Blackbeard is probably above Rocks as well.Potential Top 5 of the verse (in their prime)?
1) Joyboy
2) Imu
3) Rocks D. Xebec
4) Gol D. Roger
5) Monkey D. Garp
DaMonkeMan
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Nope. Mihawk can be equal to Roger (since he's above Shanks in both strength and skill) but not above
Xebec is above even Garp and Sengoku so I can't see Shanks and Mihawk surpassing him either
JoyboyPotential Top 5 of the verse (in their prime)?
1) Joyboy
2) Imu
3) Rocks D. Xebec
4) Gol D. Roger
5) Monkey D. Garp
Imu
Rocks
Primebeard
Roger, Garp and Sengoku (they share the 5th spot as equals)
