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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Damage3245 said:
They had the duel because each of them wanted the job so they fought it out.
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and the stronger one would be the one who got the rank...

a dual again isn't needed if that position has nothing to do with strength, Sengoku recommend Aokiji via his power and potentials, others recommended Akainu... They had a dual to figure out who was superior and more fit to be a fleet admiral

Legit it's right in your face but you guys are still ignoring everything, a fleet admiral is stronger than the admirals the same way a captain would have to be stronger than the rest of his crew
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
and the stronger one would be the one who got the rank...

a dual again isn't needed if that position has nothing to do with strength, Sengoku recommend Aokiji via his power and potentials, others recommended Akainu... They had a dual to figure out who was superior and more fit to be a fleet admiral

Legit it's right in your face but you guys are still ignoring everything
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You don't fight someone for ten days straight and not be comparable to that person. This shit is literally Akainu>======Aokiji.
 
DaReaperMan said:
You don't fight someone for ten days straight and not be comparable to that person. This shit is literally Akainu>======Aokiji.
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OK..? Akainu still came out on top so it doesn't matter... Like when did I ever say aokiji wasn't comparable?

Aokiji and Akainu had the potentials to be fleet admiral, appointed by people who have haki also... Both are >~ Admirals
 
DaReaperMan said:
And how do you know Borsalino or Fujitora(I think I'm spelling that right) aren't superior? Right, we don't.
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because they're in a lower rank... Otherwise they would've been appointed that position and done a 1v1 for confirmation or something if needed

You can't say we don't know, when it literally says higher rank = higher combat ability
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
because they're in a lower rank... Otherwise they would've been appointed that position
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And Smoker is dogshit in scaling, do we want to say he's stupid strong cause he's a vice admiral? But sure, I suppose that Akainu got so much stronger because he was given a rank and can still be slightly pushed around by Borsalino from time to time, eh?

Not mentioning the guy who's cheating in the vice admiral spot of course. You know who I'm talking about.
 
DaReaperMan said:
And Smoker is dogshit in scaling, do we want to say he's stupid strong cause he's a vice admiral?
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uhh... Yes? His post timeskip legit fit to be a vice admiral?
DaReaperMan said:
But sure, I suppose that Akainu got so much stronger because he was given a rank
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No... He got the rank because he was already stronger
DaReaperMan said:
and can still be slightly pushed around by Borsalino from time to time, eh?
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Akainu still has the final say...
DaReaperMan said:
Not mentioning the guy who's cheating in the vice admiral spot of course. You know who I'm talking about.
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Just stop
 
DaReaperMan said:
Old Sengoku>Akainu by the way, because Fleet Admiral supposedly MUST be stronger than any single admiral!
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yes... Old Sengoku > pre timeskip akainu

Pre Akainu >~ pre Aokji < post Aokiji < Old Garp ~ or >~ Old Sengoku

legit shown and confirmed
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
yes... Old Sengoku > pre timeskip akainu

Pre Akainu >~ pre Aokji < post Aokiji < Old Garp ~ or >~ Old Sengoku

legit shown and confirmed
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And then thrown in the dumpster by Teach, keep on believing what you do man, I'm sure it'll make the inconsistencies with rank=power go away.
 
Sengoku would have been stronger than the admirals when he was appointed FA and then held the position. It’s not like you get demoted when an admiral surpasses you.
 
DaReaperMan said:
And then thrown in the dumpster by Teach, keep on believing what you do man, I'm sure it'll make the inconsistencies with rank=power go away.
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Lol
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DaReaperMan said:
Statements about their prime selves don't apply to the old selves~
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Their showings still supports them being similar to that statement

Legit...
MonkeyOfLife said:
yes... Old Sengoku > pre timeskip akainu

Pre Akainu >~ pre Aokji < post Aokiji < Old Garp ~ or >~ Old Sengoku

legit shown and confirmed
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Higher rank = higher combat ability was getting confirmed and supported throughout the whole of egghead arc
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
because they're in a lower rank... Otherwise they would've been appointed that position and done a 1v1 for confirmation or something if needed

You can't say we don't know, when it literally says higher rank = higher combat ability
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They were appointed the position because of morals
You think Sengoku appointed Aokiji cause he thinks he's stronger than Akainu?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Their showings still supports them being similar to that statement

Legit...

Higher rank = higher combat ability was getting confirmed and supported throughout the whole of egghead arc
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The Five Elders are the highest ranked individuals in the entire verse and they're getting hurt by Vice Admiral level straw hats
 
KingTempest said:
They were appointed the position because of morals
You think Sengoku appointed Aokiji cause he thinks he's stronger than Akainu?
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Sengoku recommended him... Because he aligns more with aokiji's personality than Akainu, the one who got appointed was someone else instead though and was the stronger one

both hade the potential, one was superior... That simple
KingTempest said:
The Five Elders are the highest ranked individuals in the entire verse and they're getting hurt by Vice Admiral level straw hats
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Having stronger durability doesn't mean you're automatically stronger... The elders was competing with Gear 5 in stats when fighting, the admiral wasn't.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Sengoku recommended him... Because he aligns more with aokiji's personality than Akainu, the one who got appointed was someone else instead though and was the stronger one

both hade the potential, one was superior... That simple
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Oh, so they were recommended BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONALITIES AND RHETORIC, not their strength.

Monkey if you have 2 people who qualify and they choose to decide by a coin toss, it doesn't mean that luck is a deciding factor.
Therefore if you have 2 people who qualify and they choose to decide by a fight, it doesn't mean that strength is a factor.
This is why when people disagree on anything they fight, and whoever wins the fight "was right" and whoever lost "was wrong". It doesn't mean the truthteller is based on who is stronger.

The Fleet Admiral position being decided by a fight ≠ Fleet Admiral position being measured by strength. One time tiebreaker, not general measurement.
MonkeyOfLife said:
Having stronger durability doesn't mean you're automatically stronger... The elders was competing with Gear 5 in stats when fighting, the admiral wasn't.
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Franky was manhandling Saturn.
 
KingTempest said:
Oh, so they were recommended BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONALITIES AND RHETORIC, not their strength.
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both.
KingTempest said:
Monkey if you have 2 people who qualify and they choose to decide by a coin toss, it doesn't mean that luck is a deciding factor.
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... Uhh it kinda does still? But this is a false equivalence
KingTempest said:
This is why when people disagree on anything they fight, and whoever wins the fight "was right" and whoever lost "was wrong". It doesn't mean the truthteller is based on who is stronger.
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No... They don't fight, they compete to see who's better or more fit in that profession

They do not fight, if a fight is needed for confirmation, then the strengths of the two matter when it comes to the position they'll be in
KingTempest said:
The Fleet Admiral position being decided by a fight ≠ Fleet Admiral position being measured by strength. One time tiebreaker, not general measurement.
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one time tiebreaker because of Aokiji having also the potential and Strength of being fleet admiral
KingTempest said:
Franky was manhandling Saturn.
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KingTempest said:
Tired of arguing with dishonesty it pisses me off
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MonkeyOfLife said:
No... They don't fight, they compete to see who's better or more fit in that profession
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That's not stated anywhere. Aokiji didn't fight to see who'd be the stronger Fleet Admiral; he fought because he was opposed to Akainu being the leader of the Marines and after he lost he didn't want to work underneath Akainu.
 
Damage3245 said:
That's not stated anywhere
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I'm legit talking in general and you know that
Damage3245 said:
Aokiji didn't fight to see who'd be the stronger Fleet Admiral; he fought because he was opposed to Akainu being the leader of the Marines and after he lost he didn't want to work underneath Akainu.
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They faught to be the fleet admiral, that proves it's about strength... You guys are trying so hard to slip away from that fact

The ones that appoints, used strength as a measure to appoint someone to that position... They could've completely ignored the dual and appointed aokiji if strength wasn't a factor
 
Damage3245 said:
They couldn't, because Akainu and Aokiji had an agreement not to quarrel with the outcome.
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that legit means nothing to what I said, they don't have any right to disagree if they lose is what it says

They didn't come to some sort of agreement to not quarrel, Aokiji would've stayed in the marines if that were the case
The Duel Between Kuzan and Sakazuki: Immediately after the Battle of Marineford, Sengoku stepped down from his position as Fleet Admiral and recommended Kuzan as his successor, but the government upper echelons chose Sakazuki's name, and the two dueled. The stage for this was Punk Hazard. After a deadly battle that lasted 10 days, the island was divided into fire and ice. Sakazuki became the winner and became Fleet Admiral, while Kuzan, who refused to serve under Sakazuki, joined the Blackbeard Pirates...
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So if you and I fight irl to see what rating should be added on the profiles, does it mean the stronger fighter is the better debater?
 
KingTempest said:
So if you and I fight irl to see what rating should be added on the profiles, does it mean the stronger fighter is the better debater?
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No.. But if it DOES get added, then that would mean strength would matter to be a better debater in vsbw specifically

Its up to Ant at that point if he thinks the better fighter gets to have the position to have the final say
 
Was Something about Akainu being a better fleet admiral via the statement of having made the navy stronger than 2 years ago and how people are interpreting that to now this... Saying ranks basically aren't about strength, specifically admirals and above because admiral have the "strongest force" statement

(even tho it blatantly says something else with how higher rank = higher combat ability)
 
Nah like I actually don't understand tho... Do you guys like debating? It's soo boring and trash to me, the only thing I like about vsbw is the; trying to find the most accurate stats and information on characters

But you guys literally like/do debating more than trying to find that 🙉 how is that life

Like I think by trying to find accurate stats and examining abilities, it expands and extends the thing that you like for everyone and yourself

That's basically how I see it since you get more depth and understanding of the characters, giving you more immersion kinda 🤔

Maybe it's just the human side of you guys always needing drama and conflict 😴
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I also only want us to figure out as reliable statistics as possible and to help the wellbeing of our members. I am almost completely uninterested in versus discussions. 🙏
 
Kachon123 said:
Shanks and Mihawk are likely superior to Roger and Xebec as well.
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Nope. Mihawk can be equal to Roger (since he's above Shanks in both strength and skill) but not above
Xebec is above even Garp and Sengoku so I can't see Shanks and Mihawk surpassing him either
Damage3245 said:
Potential Top 5 of the verse (in their prime)? 👀

1) Joyboy

2) Imu

3) Rocks D. Xebec

4) Gol D. Roger

5) Monkey D. Garp
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Joyboy
Imu
Rocks
Primebeard
Roger, Garp and Sengoku (they share the 5th spot as equals)
 
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