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Your idea that he was parrying hits with no damage and that Zoro was attacking at full force is headcanon.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Why would he be unleashing Enma (which drains stamina) and simultaneously suppressing his output to the point that its weaker than regular buso? That's a significantly bigger reach than saying that he was either
a) rage amped
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b) not just using basic buso
when he beat Lucci
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He wasn't suppressing his output, he just wasn't trying that hard.
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Debunked by him unleashing Enma
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Debunked by his statement
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What statement?
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Zoro's statement saying if that's his best, he doesn't have a chance of fighting luffy... Making fun of his combat ability
He also said he can end it anytime he wants (yet didn't), which he literally did once sanji tried to roast him.
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That doesn't debunk anything. All that is is saying that Lucci isn't as a strong as Luffy.
Also he never said that shit. He just said Lucci wasn't controlling the fight.
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he did say that shit. Even if he somehow didn't, he 1000% showed that shit.
It's saying Zoro wouldn't even expect to even get a chance to fight luffy if that was his best...
Basically saying your combat abilities is so low that your actually fodder to luffy, clowning on him...
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No he didn't. I explained why he didn't. Not controlling the fight =/= I can end this whenever and have been ******* around this whole time
In comparison to Luffy....
Who Zoro is also fodder to...
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Zoro stalemated lucci with 2 swords and no hardening. You didn’t explain anything, you’ve legit only said that there can only be 2 reasons out of pure headcanon to say he was using more than just buso when you have absolutely no proof
In comparison if he was lucci
Zoro is definitely not fodder… just headcanon to think that.
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And he also failed to do anything to base Lucci with two swords and hardening. More likely than not that was a coloring error.
I did. You are just being willfully ignorant.
I've got a very long list of reasons why Luffy shit stomps Zoro but I can't write allat here
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It was not, he also literally overpowered base lucci with 2 swords and hardening…
I’m not. Show the proof than… what else besides hardening did he use to take out Lucci?
List of headcanons that’s gets debunked… Saturn could damage gear 5, the rest of the elders are relative if not stronger… and Zoro overpowered/stalemated with nusjuro
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Lucci had exactly zero damage on him. That's also an LS feat and not an A.P feat. Its also not a very impressive one since Lucci is balancing on one leg.
Probably unleashing Enma or a rage amp since he was clearly angry.
I'm not going to continue arguing if you're going to continue to call everything I say a headcanon. Also Luffy was bodying Saturn AND the rest of the Gorosei
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And yet could stop getting dragged out.. LS is still physical strength
No green fire
He was annoyed, not angry… he was dodging him unbothered by the attack before one shotting
… Saturn made Luffy literally bleed and warcury literally tanked every attack from luffy, even when he was at full power
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If Luffy has advanced haki, can he logically bypass infinity because you don't need to touch a target to inflict a attack?
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The haki still has to travel to Gojo's body, so no
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Debunked by him oneshotting Robbie.
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All things I’ve already addressed
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With a rage amp
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I'm done talking now
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What about Luffy manipulating reality through toonforce?
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That doesn't include space manip
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Haki both blocks and negates space manip... So haki users would be able to bypass
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People who pretend like Zoro randomly stopped using any haki mid battle are coping so hard.
The fight was mostly offscreen and Oda isn't exactly consistent in his portrayal of haki anyways.
They just can't get over the fact that they acted like Zoro was gonna low diff Lucci because Luffy did too and it didn't happen.
I'm sorry Zoro stans, your glorious mossheaded prince is not Luffy level
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How????!!!?
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Isn't the definition of reality warping manipulating the fabric of space itself?
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His space manipulation wasn't able to move haki users that are stronger than laws haki
Same thing happened to law's spatial slashes against doffy
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Zoro beat Lucci, Lucci was unconscious on his feet, he recovered, Jinbe hit him so hard he got knocked into base form, and then Zoro repeatedly clashed with Nusjuro, and was still fine. How was Lucci looking after the fight?
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Putting words into my mouth.
Zoro still won, he's stronger.
Zoro fans can't argue with anyone without being disingenuous.
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Can you make any argument without being disingenuous and then accusing someone else of the same shit?
I swear, people will pop on, make post dumbing down and simplifying an objectively correct argument like "Zoro beat Lucci with little to no injury, then while Lucci was rendered completely unconscious, thus showing him to be far superior," and go "actually, you're arguing against a strawman, I never said Lucci was stronger. God, everything you do is stupid and bad, and anyone who argues against me doesn't know what they're talking about."
Believe it or not, my post was more than 3 words.
Lucci, who has an enhanced recovery rate, was far worse for wear than a guy who's supposedly requiring an ability that drains his energy to be equal to him.
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Well, since literally nobody is going to change their minds on that whole argument, we can shift the focus a little. All in their prime, all working together with their teammate, all targeting who they would canonically target, who wins between:
1. Roger and Garp
2. Whitebeard and Sengoku
3. Shiki and Tsuru
4. Rocks and Kong
5. Redfield(with DF, no Pato) and Z(Young, but still has the Battle Smasher)
1. Roger and Garp
2. Whitebeard and Sengoku
3. Shiki and Tsuru
4. Rocks and Kong
5. Redfield(with DF, no Pato) and Z(Young, but still has the Battle Smasher)
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Definitely Whitebeard and Sengoku.
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Because of the guy with the facial hair and shockwave powers or because of the guy with facial hair and shockwave powers?
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Garp > sengoku
Roger > whitebeard
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They are also a way better duo, they faught together against rocks pirates...
Roger > whitebeard
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They are also a way better duo, they faught together against rocks pirates...
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you're wrong as you nearly always are. It's not even a debate, I'm the superior monkey
I can prove it the same way I can prove it for Roger and Garp
(Actually way easier, it's like bring oda himself and answering the question 
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Power isn't the only thing you have to consider.
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yes you do
