One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[Kachon123]

Dude was making shit up on the fly.

Doesn’t mean anything.

Jabra literally combined all techniques of Rokushiki into one attack (other than Kami-e), but then used that to blind/bait the opponent and then hit them far away, just to follow up with 4 rankyaku attacks all at once.

He’s definitely more skilled and creative in using his attacks than Kaku, whose biggest creativity feat is spinning to generate a stronger rankyaku, which isn’t much compared to Jabra.

 

[Darkvie123]

the verse was moving on from the inverse match spam.

Why?

 

[ZKillerz]

Speaking of Sanji V Zoro antagonist match ups, genuinely thinking of remaking Jabra V Kaku.

feel like their could’ve been some more debate around that since the match on his profile was kinda mid argument wise-

Would vote for Jabura since he has decent range, better mobility and mastery over his techniques
Also the slight strength advantage Kaku has in his base might be negligible since Jabura has a stronger df

 

[ZKillerz]

I think EL sanji vs EL zoro is a better debate

 

[Eseseso]

Base Kaku = Base Jabra, same goes for their Rokushiki

Rokushiki Base Kaku < Hybrid Kaku = Base Zoro < Hybrid Yontoryu/Rokushiki Kaku < Ichi/Ni Gorilla < Amane Dachi <<< Asura Zoro

Rokushiki Base Jabra < Hybrid Jabra < Base Sanji < Hybrid Rokushiki Jabra << Diable Jambe

Asura Zoro should be stronger than Diable Jambe, but Sanji's DJ gives him a more reliable speed amp than Zoro's Iai (plus dura neg that bypassed Jabra's Tekkai). Not to mention that Base Sanji should be about as strong as Base Zoro, if not slightly stronger.

Leaning Sanji extreme-diff

I think EL sanji vs EL zoro is a better debate

 

[ZKillerz]

I didn't read the fight in a long time, did Zoro ever break Kaku's tekkai pre ashura?

 

[Eminiteable]

Why?

Just noticed in the last few days there's been less inverse spam and more crossverse matches

 

[Eseseso]

I didn't read the fight in a long time, did Zoro ever break Kaku's tekkai pre ashura?

No, the best he did pre Asura was overpowering Hybrid Rokushiki Kaku (who had been overpowering him) with Ichi/Ni Gorilla.

 

[ZKillerz]

No, the best he did pre Asura was overpowering Hybrid Rokushiki Kaku (who had been overpowering him) with Ichi/Ni Gorilla.

I'm pretty sure sanji broke Jabura's tekkai while more injured so he should be stronger no?

 

[Eseseso]

I'm pretty sure sanji broke Jabura's tekkai while more injured so he should be stronger no?

He needed Diable Jambe's dura neg to get past it.

 

[ZKillerz]

He needed Diable Jambe's dura neg to get past it.

But Jabura and Sanji implied that his kicks damaged him past tekkai

 

[ZKillerz]

@Kachon123 What do you think about this

 

[Eseseso]

But Jabura and Sanji implied that his kicks damaged him past tekkai

They were hurting him, just not enough to really break the armor.

If I wear a Kevlar vest and you shoot me (please don't), I can take the hits but it'll still hurt me.

 

[Eseseso]

Also I was thinking. What if we made Post-Udon Luffy 6-A/High 6-A in every form except Base, since G2 made Hybrid Kaido dodge and G3 made Base Kaido compare Luffy to Yonko-tiers.

Yes there was dura neg but that likely wasn't the only reason those attacks could hurt Kaido IMO, more like AP along with dura neg together.

 

[ZKillerz]

They were hurting him, just not enough to really break the armor.

If I wear a Kevlar vest and you shoot me (please don't), I can take the hits but it'll still hurt me.

I dont think zoro was capable of harming Kaku past his tekkai pre ashura

 

[ZKillerz]

Also I was thinking. What if we made Post-Udon Luffy 6-A/High 6-A in every form except Base, since G2 made Hybrid Kaido dodge and G3 made Base Kaido compare Luffy to Yonko-tiers.

Yes there was dura neg but that likely wasn't the only reason those attacks could hurt Kaido IMO, more like AP along with dura neg together.

W I'm all for it, Kaido wouldn't dodge unless he knew it would've dealt damage

 

[Eseseso]

I dont think zoro was capable of harming Kaku past his tekkai pre ashura

I mean he did overpower Hybrid Kaku's Rokushiki with Gorilla, but you could be right since Kaku's own Tekkai was so durable that it let Kaku shrug off his own Rokushiki attacks that badly hurt Zoro.

 

[That_moron2]

Doesn’t mean anything.

Jabra literally combined all techniques of Rokushiki into one attack (other than Kami-e), but then used that to blind/bait the opponent and then hit them far away, just to follow up with 4 rankyaku attacks all at once.

He’s definitely more skilled and creative in using his attacks than Kaku, whose biggest creativity feat is spinning to generate a stronger rankyaku, which isn’t much compared to Jabra

 

[Kachon123]

They were hurting him, just not enough to really break the armor.

If I wear a Kevlar vest and you shoot me (please don't), I can take the hits but it'll still hurt me.

I think it’s more than that.

 

[Ped2018]

I think it’s more than that.

Doesn't matter, it was not a significant amount of damage anyway

 

[Kachon123]

Doesn't matter, it was not a significant amount of damage anyway

Based on?

Also, that’s not the point.

Whether he did significant @Damage3245 to Jabra or not doesn’t matter. The point is that Sanji broke through his Tekkai. Stop being dense.

 

[Ped2018]

Based on?

Also, that’s not the point.

Whether he did significant @Damage3245 to Jabra or not doesn’t matter. The point is that Sanji broke through his Tekkai. Stop being dense.

Yeah, and i just saying that, at least in those scans that @ZKillerz posted, Sanji didn't do enough @Damage3245 to break his tekkai

 

[Kachon123]

Sanji didn't do enough @Damage3245 to break his tekkai

He did.

The @Damage3245 was enough for veins to pop all around Jabra’s body, to cause his eyes to roll back, to cause him to grunt in pain, and to cause him to bleed

 

[Eminiteable]

He did.

The @Damage3245 was enough for veins to pop all around Jabra’s body, to cause his eyes to roll back, to cause him to grunt in pain, and to cause him to bleed

Yeah Sanji definitely broke through his tekkai here.

I dont think zoro was capable of harming Kaku past his tekkai pre ashura

He harmed him through it with his tatsumaki.

 

[Kachon123]

He harmed him through it with his tatsumaki.

Did he? I’m looking at the image and it seems more like Zoro’s Tatsumaki was just stronger than what he expected, rather than it actually harming him through it.

 

[Eminiteable]

Did he? I’m looking at the image and it seems more like Zoro’s Tatsumaki was just stronger than what he expected, rather than it actually harming him through it.

There's drops of blood and he's grunting.

 

[Kachon123]

There's drops of blood and he's grunting.

Oh yeah I see it

 

[Kachon123]

EL Sanii > EL Zoro tho

Jabra is also stronger than Kaku

 

[Darkvie123]

Just noticed in the last few days there's been less inverse spam and more crossverse matches

Oh i meant that OP Inverse matches aint bannable or something right? So we can do them

 

[Eminiteable]

Oh i meant that OP Inverse matches aint bannable or something right? So we can do them

Definitely not bannable, but they are boring.

 

[Darkvie123]

Btw who u got winning on Kuzan vs Blackbeard guys? And why

 

[Ped2018]

Btw who u got winning on Kuzan vs Blackbeard guys? And why

No idea really, we need more solid feats from both of them

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Blackbeard...

 

[ZKillerz]

He harmed him through it with his tatsumaki.

Yeah but zoro countered him mid attack, and as we all know kaku cant use iron body while moving. So zoro only damaged his base durability

 

[Eminiteable]

Yeah but zoro countered him mid attack, and as we all know kaku cant use iron body while moving. So zoro only damaged his base durability

Common misconception, Tekkai can be used while moving just not when fully applied to the whole of their body (Unless you're jabra)

 

[Ped2018]

Question: Zoro and Sanji switch opponents during Enies Lobby, how it would go?

 

[Kachon123]

Question: Zoro and Sanji switch opponents during Enies Lobby, how it would go?

They’d both still win, although it may be a bit harder for Zoro.

 

[ZKillerz]

Common misconception, Tekkai can be used while moving just not when fully applied to the whole of their body (Unless you're jabra)

alright that makes sense

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Question: Zoro and Sanji switch opponents during Enies Lobby, how it would go?

Asura and Diable Jambe should be a GG regardless, honestly.

Jabra could probably tank Zoro’s slashes with his moving Tekkai, and can probably physically overpower him with his Tekkai Kenpo, but isn't going to be enduring an Asura slash without getting dropped.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Also the fact that Sanji was causing Jabra to spit blood through his Tekkai, yet Zoro wasn't able to do equivalent damage through Kaku’s, makes me think Sanji’s physical strikes>Zoro’s basic slashes, at least In EL