One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[Eseseso]

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Zoro is stronger and a better fighter than sanji, there's a difference with the match up on Sanji vs King as he's just fighting a tougher opponent, while zoro will just fight a weaker opponent than king but

 

[Eminiteable]

I know, but this would be rooftop Zoro vs Exoskeleton Sanji.

I mean, topsy-turvy vibes and all that...

We literally did Sanji vs King twice, only fair that we do Zoro vs Queen

That's just a weaker version of Zoro Vs the same Sanji, with most of the wincons remaining the same.

 

[Kachon123]

better fighter than sanji,

Wrong

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Wrong

 

[Kachon123]

Keep sleeping bum ass monkey. Respect Sanji /s

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Keep sleeping bum ass monkey. Respect Sanji /s

Wtf is the /s

I'm already respecting sanji by telling the truth unlike you Fraud Sanji fan

 

[Eseseso]

If Exoskeleton Sanji fought Rooftop Zoro:

Sanji:

• Blitzes w/ enhanced speed and IJ (and since his reactions should scale to his Enhanced Speed, he can probably react to Zoro's Iai attacks)
• Resistance to blade weapons
• Related to the above, comparable if not slightly superior durability.
• AP should be far above Base Zoro and comparable to Buso/Strongest Attacks Zoro
• As always, heat dura neg goes brr, especially with Ifrit Jambe

Zoro:

• Better Buso
• Better range
• AP with Enma or Asura is easily above Ifrit Jambe Sanji
• Comparable in durability and could likely take many hits from Sanji.

Voting Exoskeleton Sanji high-diff.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

heavenly delusion looks like an interesting anime

 

[Kachon123]

heavenly delusion looks like an interesting anime

It’s really good

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It’s really good

I can see why you would like it

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Maybe my comment was too difficult to understand

 

[Kachon123]

?

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

Heavenly Delusion is great, but I've missed the last 3 episodes so I got to play catchup.

Has anyone seen Mashle: Magic and Muscles? That's been another of my favorites this season.

 

[ZKillerz]

If Exoskeleton Sanji fought Rooftop Zoro:

Sanji:

• Blitzes w/ enhanced speed and IJ (and since his reactions should scale to his Enhanced Speed, he can probably react to Zoro's Iai attacks)
• Resistance to blade weapons
• Related to the above, comparable if not slightly superior durability.
• AP should be far above Base Zoro and comparable to Buso/Strongest Attacks Zoro
• As always, heat dura neg goes brr, especially with Ifrit Jambe

Zoro:

• Better Buso
• Better range
• AP with Enma or Asura is easily above Ifrit Jambe Sanji
• Comparable in durability and could likely take many hits from Sanji.

Voting Exoskeleton Sanji high-diff.

Why would his ap be far above base zoro?

 

[Eseseso]

Why would his ap be far above base zoro?

Hakiless base rooftop Zoro only scales to Base Drake and Denjiro

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

?

heavenly delusion was referring to Eseseso's post about the wincons

 

[Eseseso]

Exoskeleton Sanji's AP and durability are a good bit above Zoan Queen's standard AP and durability.

Zoan Queen took the same attack from Hybrid King that badly hurt Zoro, and Queen was far more annoyed than actually hurt.

Rooftop Zoro's durability < Mink Medicine Zoro's durability < Zoan Queen's durability/AP (he fought evenly with Pre-Exo DJ Sanji, who can hurt him, both on and off-screen, and hurt Pre-Exo Sanji who can withstand his own DJ) << Exoskeleton Sanji's durability.

And this isn't even including Sanji's resistance to bladed weapons.

Rooftop Zoro also lacks his Post Mink's incredible reaction speed that could let him react to Sanji's Enhanced Speed.

Enma and Asura could still **** Sanji up, but he'd need to land those attacks first.

 

[Eminiteable]

Wasn't going to respond initially since recently the verse was moving on from the inverse match spam. But I'll put this out here since it seems people don't remember some of the initial win-cons from the previous match:

Resistance to blade weapons

And this isn't even including Sanji's resistance to bladed weapons.

As was brought up in the last match this gets negated via Goken.

As always, heat dura neg goes brr, especially with Ifrit Jambe

Zoro's buso heat resistance resists.

It's a pointless match-up when it mostly remains the same with the only difference being Zoro's stats are slightly lower.

 

[Eseseso]

Wasn't going to respond initially since recently the verse was moving on from the inverse match spam. But I'll put this out here since it seems people don't remember some of the initial win-cons from the previous match:


As was brought up in the last match this gets negated via Goken.

Good point.

Zoro's buso heat resistance resists.

True, but IJ would likely hurt.

It's a pointless match-up when it mostly remains the same with the only difference being Zoro's stats are slightly lower.

I mean, Post Mink Medicine Zoro has a massive AP advantage with Hao Infusion or KoH over Sanji (not to mention even his chapter 1035 Buso overpowered Buso King who stomped his post-rooftop Buso), plus enough reaction speed to react to enhanced speed Sanji, so rooftop Zoro lacks the reaction speed his later self has, and would need Goken, Asura, or Enma to overpower Sanji.

 

[Kachon123]

Zoro's buso heat resistance resists.

You don’t believe this

 

[Eseseso]

Buso does have heat resistance, as we've seen with people like Queen, but Sanji can outspeed Zoro so it still wouldn't matter.

 

[Kachon123]

I know that Buso gives heat resistance. Just not enough to resist Ifrit’s heat. That’s ridiculous.

And even if Zoro’s Buso did give him good enough heat resistance to not be burned by Ifrit, Sanji’s speed would just allow him to hit Zoro in the places that aren‘t coated.

Sanji mid diffs Rooftop Zoro be fr

 

[Kachon123]

I should make Bon Clay vs Daz Bones

 

[Eseseso]

I should make Bon Clay vs Daz Bones

Isn't Daz Bones superior?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Daz bones...

 

[ZKillerz]

daz bones wins unless I'm mistaken

 

[Kachon123]

Isn't Daz Bones superior?

Bob Clay is faster, more agile, more skilled, more unpredictable, has more range, and with his steel toed beak shoes should be able to harm Daz Bones.

 

[Eminiteable]

You don’t believe this

I actually do, I already covered that shit in that king rematch thread.

his steel toed beak shoes should be able to harm Daz Bones.

You don’t believe this

 

[ZKillerz]

You don’t believe this

You dont believe that

 

[Kachon123]

You don’t believe this

I actually do

 

[ZKillerz]

I actually do

Was using it against eminiteable but cook

 

[Eseseso]

I actually do, I already covered that shit in that king rematch thread.

Didn't you vote for Sanji in that rematch thread?

And didn't you vote for Sanji because of IJ's heat surpassing King's buso + bodily heat resistance?

 

[Eminiteable]

Didn't you vote for Sanji in that rematch thread?

And didn't you vote for Sanji because of IJ's heat surpassing King's buso + bodily heat resistance?

No, I specifically said in that thread that if King used buso to defend himself he'd be fine but voted against him because in character he turns his flames off too much and besides blocking with his sword he hasn't really shown to defend his body with buso.

 

[Eseseso]

No, I specifically said in that thread that if King used buso to defend himself he'd be fine but voted against him because in character he turns his flames off too much and besides blocking with his sword he hasn't really shown to defend his body with buso.

That makes sense.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Bon and Daz Bones ARE relative to each other. We already accept that to be the case on their profiles, and they are directly demonstrated to be able to fight each other in the manga.

Additionally, nothing really demonstrates that Bon COULDN'T hurt Daz with his stronger attacks. Daz is uber-resistant to cutting attacks, not blunt force (Like Bon's kicks).

I think it's an interesting match personally.

 

[The_man_with_the_Midas_touch]

Speaking of Sanji V Zoro antagonist match ups, genuinely thinking of remaking Jabra V Kaku.

feel like their could’ve been some more debate around that since the match on his profile was kinda mid argument wise-

 

[Eseseso]

Speaking of Sanji V Zoro antagonist match ups, genuinely thinking of remaking Jabra V Kaku.

feel like their could’ve been some more debate around that since the match on his profile was kinda mid argument wise-

Not the worst idea.

Jabra has defense and physical offense, Kaku has range spam and a more creative fighting style.

 

[Kachon123]

more creative fighting style.

Not too sure about this

 

[Eseseso]

Not too sure about this

Dude was making shit up on the fly.