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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Has there ever been a hint at Haki being anything besides a vague power increase?
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3D2Y movie maybe
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Can you give me an example? I don't remember lol.
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Probably scales to some percent of the guy whose DF is a set multiplier.
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Gonna make a DF tier list real quick.
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Anime showed that Kaidou’s buff form has differed colored scales and eyebrows, it is very clearly a unique form the Anime acknowledges. It might very well be an Awakening after all. As for the episode in general, it was very fun and not as flashy as most recent episodes. It’ll be a fun one for those who miss the classic animation style for One Piece
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DaMonkeMan
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I'd argue Sanji should be in Kidd's place ngl.
But I don't mind this
DaMonkeMan
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Nvm
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Move kidd down one and sanji takes his place imo
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DaMonkeMan
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Not right now.
He needs one or two more amps and then he's ready to take on god tiers like BM, Mihawk, etc.
He needs one or two more amps and then he's ready to take on god tiers like BM, Mihawk, etc.
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This kidd disrespect is disgusting
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Why not? He has the ap, speed, haki and durability to fight her
Dont see a reason for why he wouldn't be capable of beating her other than "hurr durr she's a yonkou so zoro loses"
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YesDo yall think zoro can beat big mom?
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W opinion
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The reasoning for Zoro losing from Big Mom is so poor and trash "Bc shes a Yonko" what tf is that reasoning? Buggy is a Yonko and yet an Usopp rival
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I keep on seeing this argument, "A cant beat B because B is a top tier" It avoids the responsibility of actually scaling B over A
Narrative arguments are rarely valid and so flimsy
DaMonkeMan
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Remind me who's the one that was put in a spliff by Kaidou after fighting him for like 5 minutes?
And who fought Kaidou on equal grounds for 3 days?
And who fought Kaidou on equal grounds for 3 days?
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Put in a spliff by enduring the impact of a combined attack from big mom/hybrid kaido and still scarred hybrid kaido in the process (something big mom cant do)
Meanwhile big mom fights base kaido and people act like they are on the same lvl
Kaido literally said he cant remember the last time someone could truly fight on par with him and so he doesn't even consider big mom a worthy opponent
DaMonkeMan
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Do you believe Kaidou was fighting in base form for three days?
Lol.
Zoro tries to scar BM, she simply heals her self with her lifespan.
She'd put him down way quicker than he'd put her down.
DaMonkeMan
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Translations request thread if that's not sarcasm
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This is a bad argument, big mom doesn't have marco lvl healing. You cant claim that she can heal all of the damage zoro deals because we dont know the limitations to her healing yet.
Edit: Yes I do believe kaido was in base the entire fight, because thats what we see
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I dunno man, Zoro's AP do be looking pretty fodder against 3 Homie Big Mom and Bigger Drunk Sadistic Mom(BDSM for short)
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Lets not cap zoro's ap scales multiple layers above big mom's durability, at best you could try to argue her durability is somewhat similar to base kaido and I dont think I need to explain how badly zoro would cut up base kaido.
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With amps, sure, unfortunately BM with all 3 homies has this steroid of "Is considered comparable or superior to Hybrid Wororororororo in scaling"
And we saw what happened to Zoro in 5 minutes of fighting that Kaido, and Big Mom has her BDSM amp on top of that!
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How is big mom comparable to kaido?
I already responded to this take of "zoro losing to kaido in 5 minutes" zoro lost to kaido so quick because he was literally dying from tanking the combined force of both big mom and kaido
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Clashed equally with his base attacks with 1 homie because why would Kaido job
Another homie is an extra amp
All three homies is a bigger amp.
Without Haki, mind you.
Yes, and that is still Zoro getting his ass prolapsed by folks of that level, hell, Big Mom was a part of that ******** and she wasn't even using BDSM
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Ok so she's superior to his base in ap (assuming she can stack her haki ontop of her homies)
So how is her unquantifiable ap amp supposed to magically put her on hybrid kaido's lvl? There is no proof its a significant enough amp to get her there
This also still doesn't address the fact that zoro could literally cut off pieces off big mom, her durability is fodder to him. He would cut through her like butter.
DaMonkeMan
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What does it actually say?
She healed her ****** up wrist, organs, bones, etc.
Why would she fail to heal a slice to the torso?
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Because you see, in chapter 1008, her All homies AP was implied to be comparable to Hybrid Kaido's AP
Hell, Kidd didn't even know Base Kaido could be harmed with physical blows and Big Mom did minor damage to the man.
ALSO, Big Mom no-sold Queen's strongest attack and Zoro would consider Queen to be a pain, that's most likely because of all the tricks and shit Queen has, but it's still notable.
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Thats never stated, she's only stated to heal bones
Never said she couldn't heal any of the damage but I'm saying there's no evidence that she can heal all of the damage
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big mom doesnt compare to kaido when it comes to durability
on the other hand, zoro needs his best amps to hurt kaido so
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...which is one of his best amps.
