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That's sanji from the start of the TS, 2 power ups ago, Jinbe didn't keep up.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Didn't Jinbe smack Big Mom off the Sunny, Shoulder threw her in Wano, and flat out one hit KO'D WhosWho while simultaneously no selling one of his deadliest techniques? Jinbe doesn't even need a super dense body like Sanji to tank piercing/Slashing, he just took it to the face and proceeded to boop Whoswho's nose to oblivion-
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While she was weakened and the first is using dura neg while the second is lifting
With his strongest technique while having a fishmen rage amp after struggling with him prior.
Not including the fact that a Half dead base Jack is stronger than a full power Who's Who, who's far weaker than base queen, who's far weaker than hybrid queen, who base Sanji can fight against
Jinbe needs like 3 different amps to beat an injured Tobiroppo.
Trash.
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F a i r. But Weakened Big Mom is STILL Big Mom.
Didn't Sanji spend basically all of the fight dodging Queen, and his only hits got Queen to laugh it off and ask for the Raid Suit- then the second he got caught, he got squished? Even with the newest Dura amp Sanji still got his face bent at the side before he fixed it because of the sword smack.
And I didn't know Fishman Rage was a thing outside of the bloodthirsty ones like Hody/Arlong for being Sharks. Their rage usually shows itself through slit pupils, rather than just overall intensity like Jinbe. If anything he looked like he decided not to listen anymore and just wanted to be done with it.
What 3 amps-?
Also wasn't it confirmed that Who's Who is the strongest Tobiroppo, or am I just misremembering things?
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A weakened big mom got one shot by Nami+Zeus and blitzed by Brook, while a stronger Nami+Zeus attack prior couldn't put her down.
Half the time Sanji matched his attacks. Him dodging him doesn't meean he doesn't scale. And he got his face bent by a Queen with a sword, something he didn't use prior.
Fishman Rage is a thing for most fishmen, we just don't see it that often anymore.
Fishman Karate Dura Neg, Armament Haki, and Fishman Rage
They have canonically never stated superiority between the tobiroppo
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HATER.
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How do you explain Zoro canonically using Bankai then?
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"One Shot" is an INCREDIBLE stretch considering she fell on her back, got right back up the next page and ordered Prometheus to continue chasing them. Assuming you're referring to 890, that is. Nami even says "That bought us some time" right beforethe next Page has Big Mom ALREADY back up, not even recovering.
Those... Aren't 3 amps gained specifically to beat Who's Who..? He showed Armament an arc earlier. Fishman Karate isn't an amp, since he ALWAYS used it. And Fishman Rage is again entirely assumption based, as the only ones who showed that ability are the two SHARKS who get an amp based on their bloodlust. Kurobi didn't show it, neither did Hachi, or anyone else BUT Hody and Arlong. Jinbe shouldn't have it either, because there's no indicator for it. (Again, the slit pupils are the tell, as pointed out against Arlong)
Nevermind, then. For some reason I thought it was revealed in an SBS
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For Bushoshoku, not a new amp, but an Amp on top of his base stats, Jinbe is a type o shark.
Also, Gagan = Jinbe is bleeding, two handed sword wielding = Sanji is fine.
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Ok, she got hurt. Unlike prior when she tanked it.
I didn't say they were gained specifically for him. I said that he needed 3 amps to beat him.
Fishman Rage is not assumption. Several Fishmen have it, not just the 2 fish.
Nada
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Whale Shark. Whale Sharks aren't predators or bloodlusted.
I wouldn't define his face getting dented inwards as "fine". He's more or less self repairing from it due to regen.
It was still a one tap. Who's Who was nearly in top shape before his finger got broken.
Every fishman example on that CRT. (Daruma, Dellinger, Hody and Arlong) are known predators type of fish, or have bloodlust to them. Jinbe having that same type of Berserk/Rage Boost is a reach, since he never showed it, nor does it fit his Fish-half's characteristics at all.
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Nearly in top shape where? After he's been fighting for how long?
And you say it as if this is a casual attack. This is the strongest move we've seen Jinbe use... EVER
Headcanon to assume it depends on the type of fish. And do you have an explanation for Jinbe getting his ass beat for half of the fight until he gets angry and uses a known fishman amp?
And Daruma's race isn't even a predator type of fish regardless.
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Fighting while holding a casual conversation and laughing about it. There was no hint that he was tired. No highlighting of heavy breathing, no bubbles that show panting or even sweating. Who's Who wasn't even trying to beat Jinbe because he was busy talking the whole time, until near the end.
That isn't to mean he can't do anything afterwards? Jinbe used that same attack on Wadatsumi and wasn't even winded after it. No one says using your strongest technique means you can't keep going, or use it multiple times after. Getting one shot while in nearly perfect condition implies Jinbe is just that much superior when he intends to finish it. While on the other hand Who's Who had three tries to get Jinbe off (one of which was basically running away) and still couldn't do it before Jinbe stepped on his tail.
He.. Really didn't? Jinbe was listening to the whole conversation silently while evading or redirecting every attack Who's Who threw, with the exception of the bite that pierced his arm because he thought he could block it. That isn't "getting his ass beat for half the fight", that's him literally playing along, until he didn't want to play along anymore.
Man, I thought cookie cutter shark was just Oda being weird because of the name. But even then, it's STILL a carnivorous fish that's known to bite other fish. Again, there's literally not one single tell that Jinbe was going bloodlusted/Berserk.
When Arlong does it, it's mentioned
When Dellinger does it, it's literally highlighting that his eyes entirely changed
Jinbe literally just GETS MAD at Who's Who for his descriminatory trashtalk and decides to quit talking with him. And it isn't headcanon either??? Literally the only ones who showed it so far are characters who are known to have bloodlust.
Even Praline counts because she's a Hammerhead Shark, showed that she can DO THAT, and again, fits the bill due to Hammerhead sharks not being that much more different.
And if he does have it, then again, there are zero indications that he was going berserk at the end of that fight, or TO end the fight.
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Yeah I agree with Snook. After rereading it, he looks more pissed than actually bloodlusted like the other fishmen are when they're bloodlusted/berserk. Jinbe was definitely not berserk lol.
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Racism is not cool, boss Jinbei taught Who's Who a lesson about not to say the F and N word in front of a fishman.
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If you need your strongest attack to win against a non-calamity opponent, it means you aren't strong to the level of the Calamities, and even Jack is way stronger than WW, Jinbe's Onigawara Seiken is at best at Base Jack's level, not even close to Hybrid Jack, much less Hybrid Queen, you can just read chapter 1005 where Jack talks about the gap between the scabbard/him and the F6.
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Fighting someone who's spit blood out on a few occasions and has wounds and bruises are signs of top shape?
Having a conversation doesn't stop someone from fighting seriously. WB and Roger laughed about the old days in the middle of their fights and they were trying to kill each other.
Also, yes, there is highlight of heavy breathing.
Jinbe never in his life used Onigawara Seiken in this manga. This is the first time he ever used it.
That much superior my ass. Jinbe had several times to put him down, and the only time he can is when he's angry?
Jinbe's holding back in a war? You really want to convince me Jinbe's holding back against this war enemy.
Before WW turned Hybrid, Jinbe had bruises on his face.
A single Fang Pistol drew blood from him with Buso Activated.
His spammed finger pistol drew blood from him with Buso activated.
Without Buso he tanks an attack that ripped through his buso prior. "Crap!! He just snapped all of a sudden!!" Then steps on his tail and hits him in his faceMan, I thought cookie cutter shark was just Oda being weird because of the name. But even then, it's STILL a carnivorous fish that's known to bite other fish. Again, there's literally not one single tell that Jinbe was going bloodlusted/Berserk.
When Arlong does it, it's mentioned
When Dellinger does it, it's literally highlighting that his eyes entirely changed
Jinbe literally just GETS MAD at Who's Who for his descriminatory trashtalk and decides to quit talking with him. And it isn't headcanon either??? Literally the only ones who showed it so far are characters who are known to have bloodlust.
Even Praline counts because she's a Hammerhead Shark, showed that she can DO THAT, and again, fits the bill due to Hammerhead sharks not being that much more different.
And if he does have it, then again, there are zero indications that he was going berserk at the end of that fight, or TO end the fight.
And you're tryna tell me that this is just "Jinbe holding back"
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Aren't the higher tiers of the Tobiroppo All Star candidates? That alone says something.
And strongest attack to ONE SHOT A FULL HEALTH Who's Who isn't anything to scoff at. Jack was saying that just so he could settle his score with Inu and Neko. It had nothing to do with the gap, as the next panel shows him visibly pissed off at Neko, Inu and Raizo, who humiliated him (in his eyes) at Zou.
Even if that wasn't the case, he literall yelled at Black Maria SPECIFICALLY before saying that, and I have no doubt that she's weaker than Who's Who.
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Your rankings for the tobiroppo are baseless headcanon.
He said the tobiroppo can't beat the scabbards. Blatantly said the tobiroppo. Not BM, not P1, not Ulti, the Tobiroppo in general.
Jinbe ~ WW < Tired Half Dead Scabbards ~ Regular Health Scabbards < Base Jack < Base Queen < Hybrid Queen ~ Base Sanji
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Spitting out blood/Breathing heavily was literally right after Jinbe slammed him into the ground a page prior. I'm talking before that, Who's Who was seemingly unscathed.
That doesn't really equate to "getting his ass beat"? Jinbe wasn't reacting like he was, that's for sure. He was taking the blows and getting damaged, but he was far too calm for someone who should've been getting his ass beat.
The sound "Gaching" itself implies he used Busou, since it indicates the sound of two metal-like surfaces hitting eachother, but that's more an assumption than anything.
Saying he snapped after witnessing him take that to the face can mean Jinbe just abandoned reason and decided to macho through. Though I guess it's fair to assume he had a rage boost if it's taken differently, even if the visual signs aren't there.
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So Jinbe who fought a second Commander, Ace, is weaker than the guy weaker than the calamity weaker than the second Commander of a crew that's supposed to be rivalling WB's own.
That just sounds outlandish to me, honestly. Unless Ace as a second Commander ISN'T as strong as the Beast Pirates' own, OR Jinbe got weaker.
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Where are you drawing this from? There is no direct comparison between Tobi Roppo and the Lead Performers and WW was the one Tobi Roppo who seemed to be most inclined to challenge a Lead Performer
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Zoro uses Bankai to Vizard(?) Music?
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I swear.
There is no such thing as "commander level". Commanders differ in their strength. Stop using titles for AP. Your argument is flawed in several different ways.
1. Jinbe fought Ace before Ace trained with Whitebeard and became a commander on the WB Pirates. He fought a rookie Ace, I.E. trash who struggled with Vice Admirals.
2. The Whitebeard Pirates don't rank strength by the number of the ship they command.
3. Commander level isn't a thing.
Beckman is stated to be equal to his captain.
King is weaker than his captain.
Marco fought King and Queen at the same time.
Katakuri's trash.
Stop trying to compare characters via their positions. Use statements and feats.
There are several direct comparisons between the Tobiroppo and the Calamities.
The Beast Pirates are a meritocracy where the stronger you are, the higher you place in the group.
The Tobiroppo are the 6 strongest Shinuchi which gives them their position as "the flying six".
Calamities place higher than Tobiroppo, which shows that they are superior battle power wise.
Jack in his base form has showed 3 separate times to be on the level of the scabbards via his fights with Inu, Neko, and Ashura Doji.
Jack said that the injured Scabbards couldn't be beaten by the Tobiroppo.
Base Jack ~ Base Scabbards > Super Injured Scabbards > Tobiroppo
This is because of his ambition and personality because of their positions as captains in previous crews and they want positions of superiority.
It's never stated "oh he's stronger than everyone else".
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Everything here shows that they're comparable, so we just derailed from the argument.
The point is that Jinbe's comparable to a Tobiroppo, which puts him far below the level of Sanji
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I think both Jack and Who's Who under estimate each other. So far we've not seen any actual Tobi Roppo vs Akazaya fights to say anything for certain
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Jack is known for his intelligence, which is contradictory if he's just underestimating people.
Regardless it's a blatant statement of superiority
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This fanart of Law and Kidd so well done!
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But King, who believes just like Jack that any Calamity is superior to a Tobi Roppo, thinks Black Maria was capable of killing the injured Scabbards. He didn't doubt her strength to do the job. Since his introduction in Zou, Jack has repeatedly shown to be an idiot. Not to mention, he always came across in that scene when he says the Tobi Roppo can't beat Super Injured Scabbards as just talking a bunch of sour grapes because the Scabbards beat him earlier and he simply just wanted to be the one to finish them off as payback. Of course he'd say a Tobi Roppo, who he looks down on, couldn't beat them.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Out of the 8 Scabbards, King has only fought 20 years ago Ashura Doji, and Raizo.
This is not to mentioned that he was talking about the injured scabbards. It wouldn't be so far-fetched to say that King believed that the Scabbards are heavily weakened.
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One piece tiering is difficult af.... Stop trying to make it simple because it doesn't really work 
In one fight they can become much stronger than before... For example katakuri now is much stronger then before against his fight with luffy... (that's an assumption that's supported by facts)
In one fight they can become much stronger than before... For example katakuri now is much stronger then before against his fight with luffy... (that's an assumption that's supported by facts)
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What does King fighting a couple of Scabbards 20 years ago have to do with him thinking Black Maria was capable of killing all the half-dead Scabbards in the present time? I know Jack was the one who fought the Scabbards in the present, but I'll take King's opinion over his any time. And King definitely seems to think the Scabbards are heavily weakened (which they clearly were since they needed to be healed by Obviously Hiyori following their battle on the roof).
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Statements and feats?
Every first/Second commander we've seen has shown either near admiral character scaling, or flat out clashed with them. (With the exception of Smoothie)
That and Jack's statement of them not being able to take the scabbards DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS King agreeing to Black Maria going to finish off the Scabbards.
Jack saying No to her was literally because of his own personal sentiments and had nothing to do with how strong she or the other Tobiroppo are, so either:
A- Emotionally motivated Jack somehow rationally deduced that the Tobiroppo wouldn't win, then we get a panel of Jack being obviously angry at the 3 scabbards who got around him on Zou
B- King is an idiot, despite him being the calmest one that seems to be in charge of orders so far, with the exception of him snapping once Zoro broke his mask.
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Hater.
