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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Don't claim strawman for a misunderstanding. Calm down.

Either way, still not enough to beat Queen.
Broddha im calm what are u talking about? You strawmaned me its not a misunderstanding.

You asked "When did Vista's Haki matched Mihawk's Haki" when i never mentioned Mihawk's Haki anywhere.

And no Vista slams Queen
 
(He should be comparable to his peers like Ace, Jozu, and Marco. Although inferior, he could clash with Mihawk who knew him as a memorable opponent. Contributed to fighting against Akainu alongside Marco on two occasions. The databooks state that he's one of the greatest twin sword wielders in the verse)

Speed: FTL (Matched Marco in speed and caught Akainu off guard)


Vistas Profile


Queen's Profile:
(Drew blood from X Drake with a sword[1]. Superior to Jack[2] and all of the Tobiroppo[3]. Fought Denjiro in the past), higher in Zoan Forms (His Full Zoan can fight and match Monster Point Chopper, who can harm him[4]. Slightly superior to Pre-Exoskeleton Sanji[5]), even higher with Brachio Launcher (Harmed himself and Sanji[6]), far higher with Vinsmoke Abilities (Can amp his regular fighting style with Vinsmoke abilities like Sparkling Red, Dengeki Blue, and Winch Green[7]. Matched and did notable damage to Post-Exoskeleton Sanji, whom his normal Hybrid form could not even hurt, and only lost due to getting distracted), can bypass durability to an extent through the heat with Sparkling Queen and Black Coffee (Made the likes of Phoenix Marco, Zoro and Sanji wary of his attacks.)

Speed: FTL (Superior to Jack and could combat the scabbards in the past, while some of them were equal to their previous selves. Managed to dodge an attack from Rooftop Zoro, although it did startle him and slice his machine gun), higher in Zoan Forms (Could tag Post-Exoskeleton Sanji. Was able to intercept Post-Udon Base Luffy and grab both him and Base Zoro with his mouth before they could reach the roof), Speed of Light with Black Coffee, Henry Blazer or Sparking Valkyrie


Vista decimates scaling to Marco while Queen scales only above Jack and X Drake☠️
 
OG Admirals ~ WB 4 Commanders who are relative - comparable to each other > Queen > Jack > Tobbi Roppo

Queen never damaged Marco so he doesnt scale
 
The attack that hit him off guard? Also when did that break his hide?
Him being on guard isn't going to make his hide more durable, as a reminder Sanji hit him the same way with Diable Jambe and did nothing.

Having Queen cough up blood like that is more impressive to me, but if you want to talk about breaking his hide a random air slash from King's danmaku did that. A dedicated slash from Vista is cutting his head off.
 
Him being on guard isn't going to make his hide more durable, as a reminder Sanji hit him the same way with Diable Jambe and did nothing.

Having Queen cough up blood like that is more impressive to me, but if you want to talk about breaking his hide a random air slash from King's danmaku did that. A dedicated slash from Vista is cutting his head off.
tbf it was zoan king but zoro blocked a slash so you could say the same because vista > base zoro
 
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