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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Just like any other move does.
DaMonkeMan
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He wasn't knocked out wtf?
He could move, but barely.
That's why it's a feat when he can flip just before Kaidou claps him.
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Proof?
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Dude, yes it is!
Sanji literally said that it is DJ + Enhanced flames (since his body is tougher) + Enhanced speed + Buso Haki.
DaMonkeMan
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I literally sent you proof lol.
Anyway go back to your debate about uh... King vs Sanji, was it?
That's pretty entertaining.
DaMonkeMan
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Queen was already reacting to DJ, and while IJ is somewhat above that we don't know how much because every single hit he got on Queen at that point was null and void, Queen got surprised and was practically half-conscious by then..
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That was fan translations. In the fan translations, he said that he'd be using all of those enhancements for Ifrit
The officials said this:
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I fail to see how your scan is different from what I said above.
He literally says speed is part of IJ, and says "Faster Acceleration!".
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Never happened.
Much hotter flames = much faster speed
I'm gonna ignore the fact that
1. Sanji was much more beat up and tired than Queen was
2. Queen was not even close to being in that state
3. It would not have mattered if Sanji "surprised" Queen or not because it would have been a surprise regardless as Queen could not PRECIEVE Sanji due to sheer speed so any hit would be "off guard"
Dumb argument.
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mine
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wait wtf, it threw my admiral tier all out of order
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Thats pretty good
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Yamato is admiral level, rest is good.
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DaMonkeMan
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I'd say possibly above for boxing with Hybrid Kaidou and withstanding his attacks.
These aren't that relevant nor do they negate the points made.
We literally do not know if Queen would have been blitzed that hard if he saw it coming.
Whole point was that he went "invisible", then snuck up from above and dropping bombs on him.
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I hate the tiermaker logo for ruining my nice and even top row
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What the actual **** are you talking about????
Queen was getting blitzed by BASE SANJI who is slower that IFRIT JAMBE SANJI. Why would he not have gotten blitzed?
DaMonkeMan
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I should have stopped reading at that point.
I'm going to sleep, dunno what this guy is even trying to say because he's just spreading headcanon.
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Benn beckman
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how's my Sanji placementHomie really thinks Sanji went Super Saiyan when he went invisible against Queen
"Not base Sanji" my ass
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I think it's good.
DaMonkeMan
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Winn Beckman.
You're probably trolling but Sanji going faster than Queen's eye is a speed amp, that's different than matching someone in base or blitzing them without amping your self.Homie really thinks Sanji went Super Saiyan when he went invisible against Queen
"Not base Sanji" my ass
Like I do not ******* know HOW YOU THINK A LITERAL FULLY EXPLAINED SPEED AMP IS SOMEONE'S REGULAR SPEED IN BASE FORM
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Sanji's enhanced speed's stamina drain is being extremely overplayed.
When he used it against Oven, he did it extremely casually and without being tired after using it.
When he used it against Queen the first time, he was perfectly fine
When he used it again against Queen, his condition was no different than how he was right before he used it.
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I never said that it wasn't a speed amp?
I'm saying that it's base Sanji. There's a difference.
It's like saying Base Lucci using Rokushiki is not Base Lucci.
Hybrid Lucci isn't Base Lucci. Him using Soru isn't a form.
DaMonkeMan
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Exactly.
Base Luffy was matching Base Lucci.
I don't remember the fight but, let's say Lucci then used Soru and blitzed Luffy.
No one in their right mind is saying Base Lucci > Base Luffy unless you take account for that considerable and blatant speed amp from Soru.
Here, Sanji went from being very easily perceived and countered by Queen, to moving SO FAST HE COULDN'T EVEN SEE HIM.
That's a big speed amp no matter what you say.
Base Luffy was matching Base Lucci.
I don't remember the fight but, let's say Lucci then used Soru and blitzed Luffy.
No one in their right mind is saying Base Lucci > Base Luffy unless you take account for that considerable and blatant speed amp from Soru.
Here, Sanji went from being very easily perceived and countered by Queen, to moving SO FAST HE COULDN'T EVEN SEE HIM.
That's a big speed amp no matter what you say.
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And even in this instance, we can't use Sanji falling asleep afterwards as proof that it drained a shit ton of energy from him, as thats blatantly ignoring all Sanji went through in that arc.
Attributing his falling asleep on his enhanced speed is incredibly disingenuous.
I always see in versus matches or just in general, people bringing the stamina drain of Sanji's enhanced speed up, but I don't see people bring up those same things in Luffy and Zoro matches with Gear 5 or with Enma nearly as much than it is brought up whenever Sanji is the main topic of discussion, despite his draining the least amount of stamina.
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Why are you bringing up amps? I only mentioned Base Sanji and not Base Sanji.
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Yellow 
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Nice pfp btw, I noticed it earlier but forgot. It looks really coolYellow
DaMonkeMan
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Because Luffy can regain his stamina, and Zoro's focus is taming Enma to eliminate that stamina weakness.
Sanji doesn't have an exact answer for his stamina weakness.. He kinda just has to defeat his opponent in time or he's too exhausted and gets clapped.
sigh Okay dude.
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Which he hasn't done yet.
There is no stamina weakness. That's the point I'm making.
DaMonkeMan
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This guy has revolutionized Sanji wank.
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DaMonkeMan
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Yeah he was alright until he used IJ, where he instantly and magically got real tired and went night night for like 10 minutes.
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does Sanji always have his exoskeleton now or is it something he has to learn to use at will?
