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I don't even know WTF Goken is TBH. Remember I haven't read Wano... at all, actually
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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But we saw what happened with them lol
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Goken was introduced in Alabasta.
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Oh that, well that's pretty fodder dura neg TBH LMFAO
DaMonkeMan
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And?
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Gecko Moria
Gecko Moria is a villain from One Piece, and was a member of the Shichibukai. He resided on the largest ship in the world, Thriller Bark, and his Devil Fruit powers can manipulate shadows. His former bounty is 320,000,000 Beli. He is also the main antagonist of the Thriller Bark Arc who stole...
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He was said to have... matched Kaido apparently? Wtf?
DaMonkeMan
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They're lying out their ass wth.Gecko Moria
Gecko Moria is a villain from One Piece, and was a member of the Shichibukai. He resided on the largest ship in the world, Thriller Bark, and his Devil Fruit powers can manipulate shadows. His former bounty is 320,000,000 Beli. He is also the main antagonist of the Thriller Bark Arc who stole...
He was said to have... matched Kaido apparently? Wtf?
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Well I can say something for a fact, I sure as he'll ain't upping Prime Moria
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They clashed, yeah.Gecko Moria
Gecko Moria is a villain from One Piece, and was a member of the Shichibukai. He resided on the largest ship in the world, Thriller Bark, and his Devil Fruit powers can manipulate shadows. His former bounty is 320,000,000 Beli. He is also the main antagonist of the Thriller Bark Arc who stole...
He was said to have... matched Kaido apparently? Wtf?
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Jeez
Also I Originally had Im in probably strong but 0 feats but then remembered that Island-wiping thing they do when they don't like something that happened so I decided that they'd be the placeholder for anyone 7-A lol
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I do agree with this. Oda made King have like negative IQ at the end of their fight.
DaMonkeMan
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Or get this, King has a stamina limit?
I know. It's crazy.
I know. It's crazy.
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I will say Sanji may have one thing against King that Zoro probably didn't have: Combat Speed Parity.
Zoro only hit No-Flame King either by getting close to him or surprising him.
Sanji's enhanced speed boost should put him on par in speed with No-Flame Base King (as they went FTE to people with similar reaction speeds), and his IJ should make him comparable to No-Flame Zoan King's speed.
So while Zoro had to wait for King to get close, Sanji can be far more mobile and not leave himself open just to react to King.
Which is good because King's Buso or Zoan attacks could do major damage if they hit, so Sanji can't afford to be idle.
Not in the official translations.
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Sanji is faster than No-Flame Base King.
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And so ze war begins!
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No, they really can't.
King's Zoan attacks didn't do major damage to Hybrid Queen, who has lower durability than Sanji.
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No, they're equal.
He wasn't aiming at Queen, yet one of those Danmaku still sliced Queen's hide.
And Queen is just as durable as Sanji. Sanji literally stated he couldn't get past Queen's durable hide.
They're about the same (since King fought Marco for 20 minutes and was fine), but I'll admit if I had to choose one I'd lean Sanji since he took more bodily harm before his main fight.
Maybe
Doubt
Unless it's the explosion.
Not "instantly".
Even Zoro didn't find it instantly.
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No he isn't.
Zoro was able to flip over before Kaidou hit him with Thunder Bagua, despite taking Hakai and using his strongest attack right before it.
Yet King almost blitzed his ass with Tempura Udon, to the point where Zoro was forced to dodge.
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Proof?
The whole point was that he wasn't aiming for anyone in specific. He sent the attack to everyone at random. It doesn't matter if he was specifically aiming for Queen. It still hit him and did not do major damage.
Sanji prior to his awakening?
No comment on this.
There is no maybe. Sanji simply outclasses King in that department. I have no idea why everyone does this.
Whenever Sanji has a clear advantage, people always say "maybe," "perhaps," "headcannon," "I don't want to confirm," because they're too scared to admit that Sanji is a strong fighter.
What the hell does maybe mean? It's yes or no. If it's not no, then it's yes. If it's not yes, then it's no.
It's really damn annoying and tiring to debate with someone agaisnt Sanji when whenever I have a point that is backed up and has no counterarguments against, everyone always just dismisses it by saying maybe and moving on as if they proved anything.
(sorry for the rant, just a bit irritated)
read above.
The explosion wouldn't do much.
The heat of the attack is negged by Sanji's resistance, and the actual force of the shockwave of the explosion would just blow Sanji back and harm him due to the composition of his body.
Yes instantly.
What the hell doesn't "even Zoro" have to do with this?
Sanji isn't Zoro.
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Seven Warlord tier list by how well they did the job
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That never happened.
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Proof that Sanji is faster?
They went FTE to people with similar reactions, they're comparable.
One Danmaku sliced through Queen's hide. Just one.
Queen took hits from Sanji post-awakening too, like the Hell Memories.
I'm inclined to agree only because Ifrit Jambe heat scaling go burn.
There is still explosive force, which would kill Sanji.
How would Sanji figure it out instantly?
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But when Kaidou hits him and Law, suddenly Zoro's facing up and laying down on his back.
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Yeah, and that just one didn't do major damage. What is your point?
Sanji's exo with haki > Sanji's exo > Force of DJ's kicks > Hybrid Queen's durability = Not taking major damage from Zoan King's attacks.
They would not be doing much to Sanji.
Yeah, and screamed in pain when he got hit with it.
That's the shockwave. Proof that it would kill Sanji btw?
The same way he did with Bon Clay.
King would need to turn off his flames to even dream of keeping up with Sanji, and he would need to turn it off to try to take hits from him, and Sanji would quickly pick up on that.
Queen's Perception Speed ~ Hybrid Marco's Speed
King's Reaction Speed ~ Base Marco's Speed
Super Speed Sanji >(blitz) Queen's Perception Speed
Diable Jambe Sanji >(blitz) Queen's Perception Speed
Diable Jambe Super Speed >(blitz on blitz) Queen's Perception Speed
Ifrit Jambe >(>blitz) Queen's Perception Speed
Ifrit Jambe Super Speed >(>blitz on blitz) Queen's Perception Speed
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He got hit up. We even see it in the anime.See here, he's bending over, back up.
But when Kaidou hits him and Law, suddenly Zoro's facing up and laying down on his back.
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That's incredibly stupid.
Also, the same anime which made Queen say " Even users of the Color of the Supreme King are rendered helpless against this technique! [Or something like that] " instead of "Armament Haki "?
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The Voice Actor said Busoshoku, not Haoshoku. That was the subtitle writer's fault.
DaMonkeMan
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Voice Actor read his line wrong?
Seriously though, the anime isn't reliable.
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bro has Ben over Big Mom
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What are you talking about? The script ≠ the subtitles.
The script is in japanese, from the manga. The subtitles arw added by whichever company added it, probably crunchyroll.
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If King had actually focused his attacks, he would've done far more damage via focusing his danmaku.
They can keep him at a distance, but yes he can tank those, and flame bullets are useless.
Screaming in pain but otherwise being fine (and being more focused on the Raid Suit) doesn't mean his durability doesn't scale.
It would've killed Zoro, who took hits from BM.
Not sure how that compares.
Queen kept up with DJ Sanji and blocked his attacks with buso Haki.
King = Marco = Queen
No-Flame Zoan > No-Flame Base > Zoan > Base King = Marco = Queen's Reactions = DJ Sanji.
Ifrit Jambe >> FTE enhanced Speed >> DJ Sanji
This is invalid, since part of what makes IJ is Sanji stacking enhanced speed on top of everything else to amp its power.
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I agree with this.
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Um ACHSHUALLY Benn dealt with Kidd better than BM did.
It's a joke.
Anyway, I'm not relying on the anime for it. I read the manga and the manga seems to show that he flipped before Kaidou did it. Which makes sense, as he has a code where he doesn't take attacks on his back.
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That's just not how it works.
Yes it does. Queen has overpowered recoverability and regen. The attack hurt him a lot, he just recovered from it quickly. That's like the whole point of zoans.
Marco clashed with BM and Queen could take hits from him.
Post Awakening Sanji blitzed Queen every single time he used Diable Jambe. Stop using pre-exo Sanji to scale post-exo Sanji. They are not the same.
No-Flame Zoan > No-Flame Base > Zoan > Base King = Marco = Queen's Reactions (blitz)< DJ Sanji (blitz)< DJ + Super Speed)< Ifrit < Ifrit + super speed
That's not true.
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So you're giving Zoro a nonexistant feat because Zoro said he'd never get a scar on his back?
DaMonkeMan
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This is one of his pivotal character points and you think Zoro will throw it away because big scary dragon man is going to bonk him on the back?
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I don't think Zoro had a choice whether to throw it away or not because he had 20-30 bones broken, couldn't move, got blitzed, and was knocked out.
