One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[DaReaperMan]

I found one

And I'm actually going to have to put effort into ranking cause there's like 13 characters who have no business being on a list with ******* like Kaido, like, ya know, Buggy.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes btw i think hes beating every Tobbi Roppo in a fight

Is he? If so I may have to change his ranking on my list

 

[Kachon123]

Put Lucci and Ace under Hancock and I'll take that statement seriously.

I mean sure, I kinda didn't really care with placement after Yamato.

 

[Kachon123]

I dont see Yamato or Ace losing from Queen ngl

Ace gets bodied. He literally can't do anything to Queen.

His flames get blocked out by Queen's Haki
He gets rolled by invisible abilities, heat resistance, endurance, and emotional damage.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Ace gets bodied. He literally can't do anything to Queen.

His flames get blocked out by Queen's Haki
He gets rolled by invisible abilities, heat resistance, endurance, and emotional damage.

iirc Ace has more layers than Sanji meaning he has more than Queen and y'know what that means.

 

[Eseseso]

This is what mine looks like right now

That's...actually pretty accurate.

 

[Darkvie123]

Ace gets bodied. He literally can't do anything to Queen.

His flames get blocked out by Queen's Haki
He gets rolled by invisible abilities, heat resistance, endurance, and emotional damage.

Didn't a weaker version of Ace fought WB and holded his own? In the Novel

 

[Eseseso]

Lucci are heavily overrated.

He's firmly YC1 level.

Did about as well as Marco did against a Yonko, but did notably worse against that Yonko than the likes of Zoro, Law, Kidd, and Yamato.

 

[Kachon123]

iirc Ace has more layers than Sanji meaning he has more than Queen and y'know what that means.

Layers of buso?

What is this based on?

Average Haki < Sabaody Ace's Haki < Ace's Haki
Average Haki < BoTS Sanji Haki < Onigashima Sanji Haki ~ Queen's Haki

 

[Kachon123]

Did about as well as Marco did against a Yonko, but did notably worse against that Yonko than the likes of Zoro, Law, Kidd, and Yamato.

Which is why I have him on the same tier as Marco, just lower due to Marco's devil fruit being objectively better and giving him the advantage in several categories.

 

[Kachon123]

Didn't a weaker version of Ace fought WB and holded his own? In the Novel

IIRC Whitebeard never actually attacked him.

 

[Darkvie123]

Layers of buso?

What is this based on?

Average Haki < Sabaody Ace's Haki < Ace's Haki
Average Haki < BoTS Sanji Haki < Onigashima Sanji Haki ~ Queen's Haki

Average Haki < Draw's Haki ~ Sabaody Ace's Haki < Stronger Ace's Haki < Ace Novel Jinbe's Haki < Current Jinbe's Haki < Akainu's Haki < WB's Haki (6 Layers example)

Based of KT's Buso Layered Haki

 

[Kachon123]

That's...actually pretty accurate.

Thank you man. I appreciate it.

 

[Kachon123]

Average Haki < Draw's Haki ~ Sabaody Ace's Haki < Stronger Ace's Haki < Ace Novel Jinbe's Haki < Current Jinbe's Haki < Akainu's Haki < WB's Haki (6 Layers example)

Based of KT's Buso Layered Haki

Yeah, I used the same exact thing.

 

[Kachon123]

Ace's haki ≠ WB's haki, so he doesn't scale to 6 layers.

 

[Eseseso]

Which is why I have him on the same tier as Marco, just lower due to Marco's devil fruit being objectively better and giving him the advantage in several categories.

True, but Lucci has Rokushiki amps which are surprisingly incredibly powerful.

Thank you man. I appreciate it.

NP.

 

[Darkvie123]

Ace's haki ≠ WB's haki, so he doesn't scale to 6 layers.

But KT's scaled Ace's Buso on 6 Layers

 

[Kachon123]

But KT's scaled Ace's Buso on 6 Layers

KT scaled WHITEBEARD'S HAKI to 6 Layers.

In the literal scaling chain that you copy pasted from here, the 6 Layers is for Whitebeard, not Ace.

 

[Darkvie123]

KT scaled WHITEBEARD'S HAKI to 6 Layers.

In the literal scaling chain that you copy pasted from here, the 6 Layers is for Whitebeard, not Ace.

Ohhh shi mb i just saw it rn nvm. So Post Exoskeleton Sanji doesnt have any layers of Buso? Like Ace?

 

[Kachon123]

Ohhh shi mb i just saw it rn nvm. So Post Exoskeleton Sanji doesnt have any layers of Buso? Like Ace?

He does

 

[Kachon123]

Sanji was able to clash hakis with King.

 

[Darkvie123]

He does

Based of what specifically?

 

[Kachon123]

Based of what specifically?

Sanji was able to clash hakis with King.

 

[Darkvie123]

U mean RS Sanji vs King clash?

 

[Kachon123]

U mean RS Sanji vs King clash?

Yes

 

[Darkvie123]

Yes

Im checking the colored version and i dont see where they are using Buso tbh

 

[DaMonkeMan]

This is mine
I will explain everything on this list.
For example, reason Franky is above Lucci but not Katakuri is because he literally can't hurt Katakuri but has options to injure Lucci ( i.e Radical Beam ).
I probably made some mistakes.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Just realized I had Perospero over Drake and Apoo

 

[Eseseso]

This is mine
I will explain everything on this list.
For example, reason Franky is above Lucci but not Katakuri is because he literally can't hurt Katakuri but has options to injure Lucci ( i.e Radical Beam ).
I probably made some mistakes.

Asides from your anti-Lucci agenda and Kidd nerfing, this seems right.

 

[Kachon123]

Im checking the colored version and i dont see where they are using Buso tbh

It was

 

[Kachon123]

Woah

 

[DaMonkeMan]

It was

That's not Armament it's the color of their suits.

Woah

??

Asides from your anti-Lucci agenda and Kidd nerfing, this seems right.

Anti-Lucci?
Kidd nerfing, how?

 

[Kachon123]

That's not Armament it's the color of their suits.

The black lightning streaks coming out of their kick is the... color of their suits..?

 

[Kachon123]

??

There's a lot of questionable things in that list

 

[DaMonkeMan]

The black lightning streaks coming out of their kick is the... color of their suits..?

They use this when ever characters clash.

There's a lot of questionable things in that list

Like?

 

[Darkvie123]

It was

U mean the black lightning? Or the smoke coming from the clashes?

 

[Darkvie123]

It was

Like this? Bc if u mean the smoke its bc of the clashes

 

[Eseseso]

Anti-Lucci?

Yes. He's Marco level.

Kidd nerfing, how?

No one else on that list could've fought BM as well as he did.

 

[Kachon123]

Like this? Bc if u mean the smoke its bc of the clashes

Not the smoke. Thats not haki.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Like this? Bc if u mean the smoke its bc of the clashes

AYOO LUCCI AND LUFFY HAD ARMAMENT SINCE PRE TSs?
GOATS! KNEW THEY WERE GOD TIERS!
WOB GUCCI CLEARS!