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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Nope you are wrong, and the picture you sent is about Kaidou clashing with G5 Luffy, and it literally shows in Manga that both of them use Haki, what is your point here ?
He's using haoshoku infusion there, but the point I'm making here is that Kaidou is always using buso passively to enhance his durability. I made this point since you claimed that Kaidou's durability without haki doesn't scale to 1 PT, but this ignores the fact he's always using buso for his durability.
 
He's using haoshoku infusion there, but the point I'm making here is that Kaidou is always using buso passively to enhance his durability. I made this point since you claimed that Kaidou's durability without haki doesn't scale to 1 PT, but this ignores the fact he's always using buso for his durability.
Nope you are wrong, where is it stated that he always uses Busho?
 
Nope you are wrong, where is it stated that he always uses Busho?
Kaidou's high durability at all times is a combination of his natural tough skin and haki, this being enhanced further by his Zoan form's scales.
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There’s also the law not being able to teleport yonko’s because them having strong haki, which then means it’s on kinda at all times
 
how do people reading the exact same story come to these parallel dimension conclusions..
I swear Kachon is starting a secret Sanji and Queen worship cult.
King with flames on and base Queen have similar durability
Most absurd thing I've seen this week.

The main thing about King's flames is how they make him near invincible.

He took an attack that hurt Kaido without a scratch, while Zoan Queen was two-shot by Big Mom

Hell, pre-Mink Base Wano Zoro didn't even view base queen as worth his time.
 
So because 2 people managed to get hurt by 1 person, they're even?
So I guess Udon Luffy and Zoan Queen have the same dura since they both took hits from Linlin
Common sense*

Yes, depending on the situation

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Flames on > Flames off

Zoro admitted himself that there is no point in attacking when the flames are on.

Marco managed to hurt King while the flames are on, meaning Marco's casual attack > Zoro acoc.

Casual attack of Marco > Base Queen => King flames on > Zoro acoc > King flames off

Sanji ifrit Jambe > Hybrid Queen > Base Queen => King Flames on > Zoro acoc > King flames off
 
Yes, depending on the situation
Udon Luffy=Zoan Queen
Kinemon= Roof Luffy (both took ACoC from Kaido after all)
Apoo= King (he did survive Shishi Sonson from a guy who made Kaido dodge)
Ulti Yonko tier for taking Big Mom's most powerful attack and surviving

The point is, Queen took visibly took more damage from Marco and performed worse than King did. Taking hits from the same guy doesn't make you equal.
Marco hurt ZOAN Queen with phoenix brand but took two head on blows to make drops from blood leave King (who later on was unbothered). So by your logic Base King=Zoan Queen
 
Udon Luffy=Zoan Queen
Kinemon= Roof Luffy (both took ACoC from Kaido after all)
Apoo= King (he did survive Shishi Sonson from a guy who made Kaido dodge)
Ulti Yonko tier for taking Big Mom's most powerful attack and surviving

The point is, Queen took more visible damage from Marco and performed worse than King did. Taking hits from the same guy doesn't make you equal.


Udon Luffy=Zoan Queen
Kinemon= Roof Luffy (both took ACoC from Kaido after all)
Apoo= King (he did survive Shishi Sonson from a guy who made Kaido dodge)
Ulti Yonko tier for taking Big Mom's most powerful attack and surviving

The point is, Queen took visibly took more damage from Marco and performed worse than King did. Taking hits from the same guy doesn't make you equal.
Marco hurt ZOAN Queen with phoenix brand but took two head on blows to make drops from blood leave King (who later on was unbothered). So by your logic Base King=Zoan Queen
So this is how you scale them, no wonder.....
 
To you it is, because you choose to see your own context.
King is backsscaled that high because he fought a guy who scales that high. Queen isn't because he didn't and there's no proof he should. Simple as that.
He is more durable than Big Mom, Big Mom > Zoro
 
Homieless amnesiac Big Mom who isn't even aware of haki, is off guard and uninterested in fighting. Yes. That DEFINITELY is the big Mom that scales to Kaido for sure.
So you would assume that characters got less durable when they are off guard? lol, I don't understand how your logic works, first, you assume that haki = hakiless, and now is different, can you be consistent?
 
So you would assume that characters got less durable when they are off guard? lol, I don't understand how your logic works, first, you assume that haki = hakiless, and now is different, can you be consistent?
Off guard Oden got one shot by Kaido
Distracted Luffy got one shot by Kaido
Off guard Whitebeard got stabbed by squard


Yes. Off guard characters are more prone to getting damaged. Especially if said off guard character is not using a single aspect of their overpowered ability like Big Mom.
 
To you it is, because you choose to see your own context.
King is backsscaled that high because he fought a guy who scales that high. Queen isn't because he didn't and there's no proof he should. Simple as that.
king not even backscaled. he scales equally to marco
So you would assume that characters got less durable when they are off guard? lol, I don't understand how your logic works, first, you assume that haki = hakiless, and now is different, can you be consistent?
Garp when off guard got cut by ******* captain morgans. They are weaker when off guard.
 
Off guard Oden got one shot by Kaido
Distracted Luffy got one shot by Kaido
Off guard Whitebeard got stabbed by squard


Yes. Off guard characters are more prone to getting damaged. Especially if said off guard character is not using a single aspect of their overpowered ability like Big Mom.
Meanwhile off-guard Sanji 😎
 
So dudes fully aware of everything didn't use haki when off guard but someone with literal amnesia distracted by food and uninterested in combat AND missing her homies was powerful enough for Queen to scale?

Do you see where your logic crumbles here?
 
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