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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Damage3245 said:
Seems to currently be a very loose scaling chain of: Sea Beast Weapons > Atlas > base Luffy.
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The scaling rely on a scene which its more gag based, where the joke its about Atlas actually be a real tangible object rather than a hologram like other stuff in Egghead.



Beside that when Lilith wanted to fight the Straw Hats, Shaka warn her that she was facing an Emperor crew, that both Zoro and Robin are more than capable to kill her with ease despite having the Sea Beast Weapons.



Yeah the scaling proposed has way too many holes to make sense to me.
 
An interesting theory. 🙏

 
Am I crazy for thinkng old gen is still above loki? I’m seeing so many ppl say he’s stronger, and that just doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.
 
Popbum said:
Am I crazy for thinkng old gen is still above loki? I’m seeing so many ppl say he’s stronger, and that just doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.
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Depends on who you mean by old gen. I can't see many characters fighting evenly with Imu.
 
Damage3245 said:
Depends on who you mean by old gen. I can't see many characters fighting evenly with Emu.
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Damage3245 said:
Depends on who you mean by old gen. I can't see many characters fighting evenly with Imu.
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Garp, roger, xebec, Whitebeard, sengoku, etc. Like these characters have been gassed up for hundreds of chapters: king of the pirates, hero of the marines, and. world strongest man only to be powercliffed by Loki? This is like finding out 1+1 doesn't always equal 2.
 
How strong is Cyrano? Cyrano was able to speedblitz a serious battle fighting Ryuma and drew the blade to his neck, which surprised even Ryuma in the first duel.
 
According to one piece wiki, Boa Marigold used advanced armament haki against gear 2nd Luffy. Probably the weakest advanced one xd
 
I don't understand people saying Mihawk vs Shanks is just a sword duel without haki and that Mihawk is just better in swordsmanship skills but Shanks is stronger overall cuz of the haki feats he has shown in the series while Mihawk getting stalled by YC4 Vista xd
 
I think that Mihawk held back a lot during that fight. 🙏
 
Okay. Thank you for your replies. 🙏❤️
 
probably happened when they combined enies lobby keys up to the start of the timeskip

🤔 unsure why but might have to do with cluttering or a change in something in the future (like the multiplier not being accurate or something idrk)
 
Just noticed another weird thing
in the tier section of the Enies Lobby Arc - Paramount War Saga key it notes
even higher with Gear 3rd Strongest Attacks and as Nightmare Luffy
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But in the ap section of the same key it doesn't mention Nightmare Luffy at all
Island level+ with Gear 3rd Strongest Attacks (His Giant Bazooka is twice as strong as his normal attacks. Defeated Shadow Asgard Gecko Moria with Gum Gum Giant Jet Shell<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy_(Pre-Timeskip)#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy_(Pre-Timeskip)#cite_note-19"><span>[</span>Statistics Values 7<span>]</span></a>)
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which is weird since Nightmare Luffy is noted in the Speed, LS, Striking Strength, and Durability sections
 
Don't get why nightmare luffy is listed as like an additional form for the end of timeskip key when it can only be achieved with outside help, def should be it's own key
 
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Sanji vs Garou: Enemies to Lovers

Garou, Half monster key vs Sanji, early wano 2 arc The battle takes place on the Moon, which has been given a breathable atmosphere. The ground is covered with 100 billion corpses, and an eternal fire burns across the battlefield. Kazuma is trapped upside down inside a transparent Tier 1-A...
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Here's interesting thought. It would be nice if Ace has Spade Pirates key. He fought handcuffed base Yamato to a stalemate. He fought Jinbe for 5 days. He fought and beat Hanafuda, a former warlord (which occurred four years before the current storyline) who clashed with 50+ years old Kaido. He beat vice admiral Draw with armament haki.
 
50+ years old base Kaido is 5-C at most and Hanafuda clashed with him. Ace beat a 5-C Hanafuda. We might upgrade base Yamato and rest of Wano characters who scaled to her base to 5-C. Hmm, 5-C Guernika will be accurate with what the Gorosei thought of him as one of the best agents who shouldn't be too far weaker than base Kaku.
 
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I think that Garp looks too mean in that drawing. 🙏
 
Whiz_Almighty said:
Are revolutionary commanders Low 5-B?
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Personally i don't believe they should be, at least not based on the current feats when fighting an admiral who couldn't use its full strength due of be in Mary Geoise.

Honestly full Low 5-B should be reserved to Emperors, Admirals/Fleet Admirals, Advanced Conqueror Haki Users and anyone who can actually put a fight against Top Tiers while the latters are either not holding back or weakened/depowered (such as Big Mom with hunger pain or amnesia), at least as a 'possibly', and of course anyone who are beyond even them.

The only expections would be people like the Lunarians which Durability with Flame On should scale on that level due of their biology (but not necessarely their AP), or people with specific abilities which allow to either properly attack or defend against Top Tiers (like Bartolomeo's barrier or maybe possibly Nami with Zeus)
 
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In general this would be the list of people who i believe should be 'Low 5-B'.
  • Joy Boy
  • Nerona Imu (Devil Form)
  • Loki (Base - Zoan Forms)
  • Zaza
  • Forest God
  • Emet
  • Warrior God
  • Gol D. Roger (God Valley - Prime)
  • Monkey D. Garp (God Valley - Prime - Old)
  • Edward Newgate (Prime - Old)
  • Dracule Mihawk
  • Rocks D. Xebec (Base - Domi Reversi)
  • Harald (Base - God's Knight)
  • Ratatoskr
  • Shanks (Current)
  • Charlotte Linlin (Current Base | Life Exchanged)
  • Kaidou (Current Base | Zoan Forms | Shuron Hakke | Flame Bagua [Attack Potency Only])
  • Monkey D. Luffy (Post ACoC Base | Gear 2nd | Gear 3th | Gear 4th | Gear 5th | Bajrang Gun [Attack Potency Only])
  • Marshall D. Teach (Pre Timeskip Gura Gura no Mi [AP & Durability Only] - Post Timeskip)
  • Sakazuki (Pre Timeskip - Post Timeskip)
  • Kuzan (Pre Timeskip - Post Timeskip)
  • Borsalino
  • Aramaki
  • Fujitora
  • Kong (Old - Prime)
  • Sengoku (Old - Prime)
  • Shiki (Prime)
  • Kouzuki Oden (Pre ACoC - Post ACoC)
  • Silvers Rayleigh (Old - Prime)
  • Scopper Gaban (Old - Prime)
  • Monkey D. Dragon
  • Figarland Shamrock (Current)
  • Ryuma (Prime)
  • Roronoa Zoro (Onigashima Raid Unleashed Enma | Asura - Post ACoC King of Hell | Asura)
  • Manmayer Gunko (Imunko)
  • Trafalgar D. Water Law (Onigashima Raid Awakening [AP & Dura Only])
  • Yamato (Zoan Forms)
  • Figarland Garling (Post Egghead)
  • Topman Warcury (Devil Form)
  • Ethanbaron V. Nusjuro (Devil Form)
  • Jaygarcia Saturn (Devil Form)
  • Marcus Mars (Devil Form)
  • Shepherd Ju Peter (Devil Form)
  • Eustass Kid (Onigashima Raid Awakening [AP Only])
  • Bartolomeo (Bari Bari no Mi [Dura Only])
  • Jozu (Kira Kira no Mi [Dura Only])
  • King (Base Flame On [Dura Only] | Zoan Forms Flame On [Dura Only])
  • S-Snake (Egghead Flame On [Dura Only])
  • S-Hawk (Egghead Flame On [Dura Only])
  • S-Bear (Egghead Flame On [Dura Only])
  • S-Shark (Egghead Flame On [Dura Only])
And this are the one who should at least get a 'possibly Low 5-B'.
  • Kyo
  • Captain John
  • Ganzui
  • Ochoku
  • Chinjao (Prime)
  • Gecko Moria (Prime)
  • Edward Weevil
  • Bartholomew Kuma
  • Shanks (Beginning of Series)
  • Charlotte Linlin (God Valley - Current Hunger Pain/Amnesia)
  • Kaidou (God Valley)
  • Edward Newgate (God Valley)
  • Shiki (God Valley)
  • Silvers Rayleigh (God Valley)
  • Scopper Gaban (God Valley)
  • Sengoku (God Valley)
  • Marshall D. Teach (Pre Timeskip Base)
  • Jewelry Bonney (Post Timeskip Gear 5th)
  • Figarland Garling (Pre Egghead)
  • Boa Hancock
  • Gloriosa (Prime)
  • Shakky
  • Streusen (Prime)
  • Don Marlon
  • Stussy (Prime)
  • Gill Bastar
  • Kouzuki Momonosuke (Adult Zoan Forms)
  • Benn Beckman
  • Marco (Zoan Forms)
  • Brogy (Base - Domi Reversi)
  • Dorry (Base - Domi Reversi)
  • Rob Lucci (Post Timeskip Awakening Form)
  • Trafalgar D. Water Law (Onigashima Raid Base)
  • Eustass Kid (Onigashima Raid Base)
  • Monkey D. Luffy (Post Udon Gear 4th)
  • Nami (Onigashima Raid Zeus [AP Only])
 
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