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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Kuzan's vivre card which releases tomorrow.
ohh shit, thought it was going to be way later in November... W Egghead Vivrecards 🔥

Here we go with oda saying kizaru's acceleration, moves at the speed of light... By kizaru only accelerating up to light speed to get more force/power 🙉 or something like that
 


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Maybe Oda was cooking

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Maybe Oda was cooking

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To believe Aokiji has conqueror's haki and is equally strong as garp is absolutely insane to me and I haven't even seen the full fight/situation (Idk if that means anything tho)

Oda dunked on that belief with the recent manga chapter and vivrecard... Gg
 
To believe Aokiji has conqueror's haki and is equally strong as garp is absolutely insane to me and I haven't even seen the full fight/situation (Idk if that means anything tho)

Oda dunked on that belief with the recent manga chapter and vivrecard... Gg
If anything it proved that having Hao doesn't automatically make you stronger than someone without since a holding back Kuzan beat Garp.
 
If anything it proved that having Hao doesn't automatically make you stronger than someone without since a holding back Kuzan beat Garp.
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Having Hao of course doesn't make someone stronger than someone else.. I believe their "potential" is just much higher than others

The is supported with the statement of only the strongest, use adv con haki or something
 
The problem is that we know that they jumped Garp, HE LITERALLY GOT STABBED IN THE STOMACH

Like, it was not some mysterious fight, we know what happened
They also got him because there were two occasions where he left the fight to fight someone else.
 
The problem is that we know that they jumped Garp, HE LITERALLY GOT STABBED IN THE STOMACH

Like, it was not some mysterious fight, we know what happened
If you want to say that his endurance/durability was weakened from the stab then I'll give you that, but I don't think there's enough evidence to say he suddenly started hitting not as hard, especially considering how he went to floor Shiryu right after.
 
If you want to say that his endurance/durability was weakened from the stab then I'll give you that, but I don't think there's enough evidence to say he suddenly started hitting not as hard, especially considering how he went to floor Shiryu right after.
he's just that much stronger than all of them.
 
If you want to say that his endurance/durability was weakened from the stab then I'll give you that, but I don't think there's enough evidence to say he suddenly started hitting not as hard, especially considering how he went to floor Shiryu right after.
It's famously easier to down a guy who's been stabbed than one who hasn't.
 
If you want to say that his endurance/durability was weakened from the stab then I'll give you that, but I don't think there's enough evidence to say he suddenly started hitting not as hard, especially considering how he went to floor Shiryu right after.
Sure, but Kuzan's feats just put him in the same ballpark as Garp, nothing more than that.

Now, if Kuzan's "holding back" means he was not using a ability (like awakening) that could make him superior to Garp then i have no problem with that... But base Kuzan is not it.
 
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