One Piece: Gear 2nd Luffy Revision

[KingTempest]

We scale Luffy above the durability of one of Doflamingo's strings for destroying him with a Jet Gatling.
It was a Jet Gatling. Not a Gomu2 no Hawk Gatling. AKA, he didn't use armament haki.

This picture after looks like heavy shading instead of Busoshoku: Koka. The color is different and the pattern isn't the same.

This is the arc where Luffy started renaming his Haki based moves. He turned Stamp Gatling into Octopus Stamp, Jet Bazooka into Eagle Bazooka, and Jet Whip into Hawk Whip.

Luffy saying Jet Gatling and us not seeing Busoshoku: Koka means that this isn't a Haki based move, which means that "City level, higher with Gear 2nd, Mountain level with Gear 2nd+Busōshoku Haki" is redundant.

This scales to the people who scaled to him.

 

[Damage3245]

Sure, this is fine.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yeah, this seems fine to me

 

[Eminiteable]

Yeah I agree.

 

[Eminiteable]

So besides people who scale to Gear 2nd normally those with the energy steroid scaling like Wadatsumi's durability, base Sanji and Jinbe would scale to 245.192 megatons and Hyouzou's durability to 490.384 megatons.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Sure, looks good.

 

[Popted2]

i agree

 

[RoronoaxRobin]

I agree too

 

[Bernkastelll]

Agreed

 

[speedster352]

Agreed

 

[Eseseso]

YYEEAAHH-

I mean, ahem, this looks fine.

 

[Eseseso]

But what would Base Luffy scale to?

Would he still scale to 27.04 megatons?

Or would he backscale from 122 megatons to Baseline 7-A (100 megatons)?

 

[DigiAnymore]

Agree, this fine

 

[Damage3245]

But what would Base Luffy scale to?

Would he still scale to 27.04 megatons?

Or would he backscale from 122 megatons to Baseline 7-A (100 megatons)?

Base Luffy is unaffected.

 

[KillerH]

So to make sure, what is the scaling chain now?

Gear 2 with Koka=Doflamingo>>>Smoker=Punk Hazard Law=Sanji=Vergo=245.192MT>>>Tashigi=Monet>Robin=Diamante=Kyros=Green Dragon>Red Dragon durability>Gear 2=Doflamingo string=122MT

Pica=Zoro>>>490.384MT=Hyouzou durability>>>Base Sanji=245.192MT

Something like that?

 

[Eseseso]

Base Luffy is unaffected.

Got it.

So to make sure, what is the scaling chain now?

Gear 2 with Koka=Doflamingo>>>Smoker=Punk Hazard Law=Sanji=Vergo=245.192MT>>>Tashigi=Monet>Robin=Diamante=Kyros=Green Dragon>Red Dragon durability>Gear 2=Doflamingo string=122MT

1. I thought Robin was equal to Monet (not that it affects the scaling values)

2. Is Gear 2 with Koka (which IIRC is just Gear 2nd with Busoshoku) actually equal to Doffy? That would make Gear 4 (which is >= 4x Gear 2nd with Koka) like 4x Doffy's AP, which doesn't seem to fit with how Doffy at the very least tanked a lot of his attacks.

 

[Eminiteable]

Would Zoro upscale to Baseline 7-A+?

He already does

 

[Eseseso]

He already does

Oh yeah, nvm then

 

[KingTempest]

Yall pulling scaling chains out of yall asses.

Tashigi ~ Monet > Robin and Nami > Green Dragon > Red Dragon > Gear 2nd Luffy
Doflamingo > G2nd Luffy for calling him physically weak. DJ Sanji > G2nd Luffy for Doflamingo calling him physically strong.
Doflamingo > DJ Sanji for blocking his kick with his leg
Doflamingo > Luffy's Dura ~ Kata > Oven.

Sanji and Jinbe's scaling is wrong.
They currently scale to 2x Wadatsumi for hurting him with Energy Steroids, who took a hit from Luffy without it. Read FMI again.
Luffy broke his tooth.
They'd just scale with Jinbe being able to 1v1 him and Sanji taking a hit from both of them.

Jinbe's AP ~ G2nd Luffy's AP
Sanji's AP ~ Vergo's AP ~ Sanji's Dura

Zoro's scaling is also wrong, because we act as if Zoro's casual AP is over Hyo when that's his strongest moves, then we list everybody as "more of a threat than Hyouzou who has a durability feat".
Zoro'd scale where he scales for casually hurting Monet and being casually stronger than her and the other Straw Hats, and his stronger techniques would scale to 4x Luffy, instead of the narrative that he's casually 4x stronger.

 

[Eseseso]

Yall pulling scaling chains out of yall asses.

Tashigi ~ Monet > Robin and Nami > Green Dragon > Red Dragon > Gear 2nd Luffy
Doflamingo > G2nd Luffy for calling him physically weak. DJ Sanji > G2nd Luffy for Doflamingo calling him physically strong.
Doflamingo > DJ Sanji for blocking his kick with his leg
Doflamingo > Luffy's Dura ~ Kata > Oven.

Sanji and Jinbe's scaling is wrong.
They currently scale to 2x Wadatsumi for hurting him with Energy Steroids, who took a hit from Luffy without it. Read FMI again.
Luffy broke his tooth.
They'd just scale with Jinbe being able to 1v1 him and Sanji taking a hit from both of them.

Jinbe's AP ~ G2nd Luffy's AP
Sanji's AP ~ Vergo's AP ~ Sanji's Dura

Zoro's scaling is also wrong, because we act as if Zoro's casual AP is over Wadatsumi when that's his strongest moves, then we list everybody as "more of a threat than Hyouzou who has a durability feat".
Zoro'd scale where he scales for casually hurting Monet and being casually stronger than her and the other Straw Hats, and his stronger techniques would scale to 4x Luffy, instead of the narrative that he's casually 4x stronger.

1. I thought Monet and Robin were equal.
2. Is there any way to know how Gear 2nd with Busoshoku Haki scales?
3. So is beginning of Timeskip Zoro not a 7-A+ in base?

 

[Eminiteable]

Zoro's scaling is also wrong, because we act as if Zoro's casual AP is over Wadatsumi when that's his strongest moves, then we list everybody as "more of a threat than Hyouzou who has a durability feat".
Zoro'd scale where he scales for casually hurting Monet and being casually stronger than her and the other Straw Hats, and his stronger techniques would scale to 4x Luffy, instead of the narrative that he's casually 4x stronger.

I do agree that we shouldn't use the "more of a threat than hyouzou" scaling anymore unless we scale to his striking strength rather than his durability as at that point none of zoro's opponent's have legitmately taken a santoryu attack and survived (Pica took a very small percentage of one and doesn't count).

Although "Casual" Zoro (No named attacks) already scales to killing Hawkins and matching his hierphant amped Straw-man, but on the subject of character's supposedly matching "Casual" Zoro that isn't the case. These "Clashes" have been described as Zoro blocking the opponent's attack.

 

[KingTempest]

1. I thought Monet and Robin were equal.

I don't know who lied to you and said this

2. Is there any way to know how Gear 2nd with Busoshoku Haki scales?

higher than without it, just like every single character with buso

3. So is beginning of Timeskip Zoro not a 7-A+ in base?

he is. just not with that flimsy justification

I do agree that we shouldn't use the "more of a threat than hyouzou" scaling anymore unless we scale to his striking strength rather than his durability as at that point none of zoro's opponent's have legitmately taken a santoryu attack and survived (Pica took a very small percentage of one and doesn't count).

Although "Casual" Zoro (No named attacks) already scales to killing Hawkins and matching his hierphant amped Straw-man, but on the subject of character's supposedly matching "Casual" Zoro that isn't the case. These "Clashes" have been described as Zoro blocking the opponent's attack.

That's fair then, but regardless, none of Zoro's enemies have the feats to scale to Hyouzou, so any of the alternatives are fine

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Wish Gear 3rd had a clear scale above Gear 2nd

 

[KingTempest]

Wish Gear 3rd had a clear scale above Gear 2nd

He does.
G3rd >>>> Monster Hody ≥ 4x Overdosed Hody ≤ G2nd Luffy
He just scales 4x that

 

[Eseseso]

He does.
G3rd >>>> Monster Hody ≥ 4x Overdosed Hody ≤ G2nd Luffy
He just scales 4x that

How ironically consistent.

KKG broke 16 strings while Gear 2nd just broke 1.

And KKG is >= 4x Gear 3rd which is 4x Gear 2nd, aka >= 16 times Gear 2nd.

Btw, should we discuss how this all affects post-WCI Luffy's tiering/scaling?

I don't know who lied to you and said this

I simply assumed, since Robin's vs profile talked about her clashing with Monet and tanking hits from her, and Monet's profile only says that she clashed with Robin and nothing about her overpowering Robin.

Also, the fact that whiny little Tashigi is above Robin via scaling is painful to me.

higher than without it, just like every single character with buso

Fair

he is. just not with that flimsy justification

Ah

 

[KingTempest]

Btw, should we discuss how this all affects post-WCI Luffy's tiering/scaling?

No,

I simply assumed, since Robin's vs profile talked about her clashing with Monet and tanking hits from her, and Monet's profile only says that she clashed with Robin and nothing about her overpowering Robin.

Her profile says nothing at all about Monet except stamina

Also, the fact that whiny little Tashigi is above Robin via scaling is painful to me.

She's a swordsman who uses Haki and can draw blood from someone who can hurt strawhats

 

[Eseseso]

No,

But doesn't WCI Luffy after the Katakuri fight get a big boost from his Dressrosa self?

Example: Post-WCI Gear 3rd=Pre-WCI Gear 4

She's a swordsman who uses Haki and can draw blood from someone who can hurt strawhats

1. Didn't Monet curbstomp her? And IIRC she only drew blood with a surprise attack.

2. I understand the scaling, I just don't like Tashigi's character.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

He does.
G3rd >>>> Monster Hody ≥ 4x Overdosed Hody ≤ G2nd Luffy
He just scales 4x that

Ohhhhhhhh, I see

 

[Eminiteable]

2. I understand the scaling, I just don't like Tashigi's character.

?

 

[Nierre]

following

 

[Eseseso]

?

I was just half-joking, since I'm not pleased that Tashigi (who I don't like as a character) is getting scaled above Robin.

 

[Eseseso]

@KingTempest

But doesn't WCI Luffy after the Katakuri fight get a big boost from his Dressrosa self?

Example: Post-WCI Gear 3rd=Pre-WCI Gear 4

1. Didn't Monet curbstomp Tashigi? And IIRC Tashigi only drew blood with a surprise attack.

 

[KingTempest]

But doesn't WCI Luffy after the Katakuri fight get a big boost from his Dressrosa self?

Example: Post-WCI Gear 3rd=Pre-WCI Gear 4

And that is already noted in the profile. You're asking for stuff that's already there

1. Didn't Monet curbstomp her?

Speed and ability wise

And IIRC she only drew blood with a surprise attack.

She's showed comparability, she's just slower

 

[Eseseso]

And that is already noted in the profile. You're asking for stuff that's already there

Oh, my bad. I was just wondering if this changed any of the power values for post-WCI Luffy.

Speed and ability wise

She's showed comparability, she's just slower

Ok then.

 

[Therefir]

I agree with this.

 

[KillerH]

Yall pulling scaling chains out of yall asses.

Tashigi ~ Monet > Robin and Nami > Green Dragon > Red Dragon > Gear 2nd Luffy
Doflamingo > G2nd Luffy for calling him physically weak. DJ Sanji > G2nd Luffy for Doflamingo calling him physically strong.
Doflamingo > DJ Sanji for blocking his kick with his leg
Doflamingo > Luffy's Dura ~ Kata > Oven.

Sanji and Jinbe's scaling is wrong.
They currently scale to 2x Wadatsumi for hurting him with Energy Steroids, who took a hit from Luffy without it. Read FMI again.
Luffy broke his tooth.
They'd just scale with Jinbe being able to 1v1 him and Sanji taking a hit from both of them.

Jinbe's AP ~ G2nd Luffy's AP
Sanji's AP ~ Vergo's AP ~ Sanji's Dura

Zoro's scaling is also wrong, because we act as if Zoro's casual AP is over Hyo when that's his strongest moves, then we list everybody as "more of a threat than Hyouzou who has a durability feat".
Zoro'd scale where he scales for casually hurting Monet and being casually stronger than her and the other Straw Hats, and his stronger techniques would scale to 4x Luffy, instead of the narrative that he's casually 4x stronger.

So Who Scale to which value now?

 

[KingTempest]

So Who Scale to which value now?

They all scale to whatever the strings scale to. Zoro and G3rd Luffy scales to 4x that.

 

[Eseseso]

Lol this basically renders my 7-A Robin thread absolutely moot, since now she'll be 7-A with or without Mil Fleur due to scaling above Gear 2nd.

Gotta love it.

 

[Elizhaa]

The changes seem fine.

 

[SnookB]

In a pefect world Luffy just scales to the birdcage since the black knight is what created it- EZ

Seriously though- agree. Pretty straight forward.