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One Piece Chapter 1028: Brachiosnakeus (Official Release)
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i agree here
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We don't know that. If Shanks got used to it, which he did, it's been 10+ years, he could adapt. We literally don't have enough information to claim much, still
His raw power hasn't decreased because of that.
His speed didn't too,
The only thing that could have decreased, is his Sword Skill. (which we don't even know he has)
Shanks can easily compensate that with actual combat skill, as he can switch from fighting with a sword to kicking your face when you're off-guard, since.. y'know, he's a pirate not a swordsman like King
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Not at all, if you actually read the thread you'd know he's literally been stated a swordsman, swordmaster and considered a contender for being the world's best swordsman by those in the world. Also "the fact he has a sword", more so the fact he's only ever used a sword in combat.
Having an established style is what is required to be a swordsman? Since when? Law and Fujitora are both stated swordsman by Oda and neither have a stated sword style, the same can even be said for Mihawk.
I also don't understand this argument that Roger apparently isn't a swordsman, the man's only named attack is a sword attack, the vc sates his sword is "his beloved blade" and he even names his own son after his sword. Don't see the comparison between them and King who uses literally any advantage to try and kill his opponent.
Since when did the "World's most powerful swordsman"/"World's Strongest Swordsman" refer to skill?
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Whitebeard talked about the power of Shank's fights with Mihawk in a way that noted their power, so if they can be of note to Whitebeard I doubt that both of them weren't at least close to their current selves at the time.
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On a purely physical sense, it's possible and perhaps even likely that Mihawk is stronger (because having both arms would be a serious advantage) but overall I'd still say Shanks is more powerful because he clearly has advanced Conquerors which Mihawk has never shown and that is a game changer, going by recent events at least
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Enough with the same discussion bro, the man himself said it, just accept it.
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So if Mihawk says
We gon say he's weaker than kids?
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This.
Besides, he won't fight Shanks since he has a code of honor, and Shanks having one arm (making him weaker than his prime) makes it dishonorable to Mihawk (in a relative sense, at least, since Shanks is still a beast).
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I honestly have no counter to that.
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This is like if ppl say Roger with Advanced CoC is stronger than Garp, even though it's not implied or justified anywhere
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Completely different cases really. We know for sure that Roger and Garp had matched each other when Roger had Advanced CoC, but we don't know for sure that Shanks had Advanced CoC when he had his last bout with Mihawk
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Strongest swordsman means strongest swordsman regardless of whatever amps are applied.
Advanced CoC is an amp that amps swordsmanship. Mihawk scales above it. Simple
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Actually, not so simple. Mihawk has no actual showings of fighting someone with Advanced CoC - which is basically the God Tier of the verse at this point - since we don't know if Shanks had it when they last fought
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That doesn't matter.
I never said "he fought every swordsman in the world so he's the strongest from that".
His title is the strongest swordsman in name and actuality, which means that out of every swordsman in the series, regardless of if they have CoC or not, as of chapter 1028 they are weaker than Mihawk. This includes Shanks with Advanced Hao.
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One dude has a statement of being the strongest swordsman in name and actuality.
The other doesn't and people are petty he's not the strongest
The other doesn't and people are petty he's not the strongest
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Bro this is Oda. 95 times out of 100 he exceeds our imagination.
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It's not like an official title or something. Seriously, it even is kinda self proclaimed. Shanks was his closest rival, so after he lost an arm, he simply lost interest and never fought him again. Meanwhile Shanks became a Yonko, mastered Advanced CoC while Shanks basically stagnated as a Warlord
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Mihawk is lucky that Kaido uses a club and not a sword.
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It's an official title. Everybody knows him as that.
And being a Yonko is not strength related
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Would've lost that title so fast
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It's an informal title, like most in One Piece, and the problem with scaling according to informal titles is that they can end up being contradictory. Like Whiteboard being the strongest pirate and Kaido being the strongest "creature"
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It literally isn't informal, the only person other than Roger to have a title with the statement "in name and actuality", stating it as a fact.
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I don't think anyone is scaling based on title only cause I honestly don't agree with scaling based on title only
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Whitebeard being the strongest pirate is in reference to his lifestyle, not his battle power.
Kaido being the strongest creature is supported everywhere.
- He's comparable to other Yonko in his base form.
- Ace novel says he has the highest battle power of all the Yonko.
- Kid and Killer, who fought Shanks' group, said that Kaido is the strongest.
And it's definitely not an informal title. That's not supported at all
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Mihawk is absolutely being scaled purely based on title because he lacks any feats at the level he's supposed to be at
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"Name and actuality"
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Where are you getting this from? Whiteboard was literally called "the strongest Man in the world" by Sengoku himself (And also by Mihawk perhaps, though I don't exactly remember)
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No direct reference to Shanks. Do you have any statement that says something like "Mihawk is the greatest swordsman even including someone like Shanks" ?
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And also through shanks, although I agree mihawk kind of messes up the scaling chain but he still has feats and statements that would give him a possibly rating
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Yall in denial gahlee
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Semantics, but yeah "He kept challenging people until he no longer had any worthy foes" in reference to Shanks and the paragraph literally ended with "He's looking forward to the day he meets a sword-master that surpasses his rival Shanks"
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