Omnipresence and Acausality

[TriforcePower1]

Omnipresents on a 4-Dimensional scale, with one dimension being time, should have Acausality type 3.

Let's start with a comparison with a much more intuitive Omnipresence, the 3-Dimensional one. If a 10-C character with this omnipresence fought a 5-B character, would the latter be able to kill the former? No, because he can only affect a tiny portion of the omnipresent character.

Similarly, if you try to affect a character with 4D omnipresence in the present you've just affected a very small part of the omnipresent character. The only way to effectively kill an omnipresent being would be to outright destroy Past, Present and Future, which fits to the description of Type 3 Acausality.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Bimp

 

[PaChi2]

Actual Omnipresence should grant a lot of things by default.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Should we just add that separately to Characters' pages or edit the Omnipresence page? I'm for the former.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm not sure. It sounds wrong. An omnipresent can be everywhere but you can still "kill" them- you can still destroy that which makes them alive.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Exactly. But on a 4-D scale, you technically also need to destroy time. For reference, 3D omnipresents don't get any sort of Acausality.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Not exactly. Fourth dimension isn't always considered time, I think this addition is a bit unsafe to add without definite confirmatio.

Acausality Type 3 is certainly a possible use of Omnipresence, but without explicit statements I think it'd be best to not add.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Fourth dimension is 99% of the times time. That's why I didn't bother to explicit that.

But that's like not considering resistance to timestop for infinite speed characters. This is the same.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Sounds reasonable but I'll wait for more input.

 

[The_Causality]

I dont agree with Acausality

my username say why.

 

[PaChi2]

Omnipresence in time and space means that you exist everywhen and everywhere.

You are already unaffected by changes in the past, present and future unless they affect your whole existance in the same moment, because your present, past and future selves are the same.

If somebody becomes omnipresent on this scale, you cant kill them in the past before they became omnipresent because they already exist before it happened. Doing something to their present selves is irrelevant since future and past exist.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

[]{}}]] agreed

 

[TriforcePower1]

@PaChi

So, you agree..?

 

[PaChi2]

@PaChi

So, you agree..?

Yes, my dood.

Also, omnipresence through time should give resistance to precognition. Since looking into the future is... Basically looking at what this guy wants to show you.

 

[Kepekley23]

Obviously true by default. Otherwise they wouldn't be 4-D omnipresent to begin with.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I concur as well.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

If the verse treats time as the fourth dimension, yes. By definition someone who is omnipresent in that case exists across all of time at once and qualifies for that acausality.

However cases where it's just a fourth spatial dimension, of which there are some notable characters, no.

Omnipresent characters usually come with a lot of baggage that is normally explained in verse.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Agreed.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I agree with Dargoo.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Yeah, only for omnipresents across time. I edited the OP about that detail.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Makes sense. I agree with Dargoo's take on it.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Should we just add that separately to Characters' pages or edit the Omnipresence page?

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Triforce

What you mentioned in the OP does sounds right but however, what you mentioned regarding time is wrong & @Mr. Bambu is right about that. The 4th dimension is both Space & Time, not just time (since its a concept by itself) and anything mentioning only the term "time" can't be referencinng the dimension without a direct/definite confirmation.

I agree with @Dragoo as well.

 

[Totallynotchewbacca]

i agree

 

[Elizhaa]

I'm not sure. It sounds wrong. An omnipresent can be everywhere but you can still "kill" them- you can still destroy that which makes them alive.

I think so after thinking about it.

I think Acausality Type 3 feats should be shown and it is better if the jugment is case by case topic than a standard.

I think the case where Omnipresent characters can survive the destruction of the original be proven.

From what I know, only characters like Solaris and Solaris (Archie Comics) have shown these feats from the Omnipresent Beings Category.

Type 3: Temporal Permanence: Characters with this type of Acausality are incredibly difficult to kill, as other versions of themselves - from other points in time and/or from other universes - can survive the destruction of the "original" and act in their place. This also grants them immunity to changes in the past.