Odin Modern Key Addition

[SuperAPM]

It's been brought to my attention that there is a big disparity between Odin's classic and modern power level, especially with regards to how he scales to the rest of Marvel as a whole. I was asked to make this thread so that everyone can decide whether it is necessary to make a Modern 4-B key for Odin separate from his Classic version. Discussion that prompted this thread to be made started here (ignore the subject of that thread as it is completely unrelated to the rest of this)

The arguments made in favor of this being made include:

• The writers themselves have chosen to not treat Odin as a Galactic level and have severely depowered his power level from what it once was

• There are a few instances now of Odin fighting on par with 4-B characters, (and probably more that I haven't found yet) which would imply a power drop to that level.

• In relation to the above point, it would also make scaling a nightmare if we kept him at just his current rating in light of these aforementioned showings

Arguments made against this include

• There's no actual in universe reason for this shift in power outside of writers simply being lazy

• This would have massive ramifications to the rest of the cosmic scale outside of Odin himself

• Odin still supposedly has higher tier feats to his name. Along with that, a change like this requires far more input than just a few members, so more input will be needed.

As stated above, this thread will mainly be used for everyone to give their input on whether not this addition is truly necessary, and what other changes will need to be made in relation to this.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I wouldn't call it writers being lazy, just that the general idea of how to treat Odin's position and power in the universe has shifted in more modern times. I say it's better to just give him two keys rather than treating him as a Tier 2 when he just isn't anymore.

 

[LordTracer]

I helped propose the idea of 4-B Odin in the first place, and he indeed has been portrayed as weaker than Tier 2 in modern times, so I agree with the second key.

 

[Antvasima]

I am also inclined to agree.

 

[The_Impress]

Just because he he is potrayed weaker, doesn't mean he dropped 8 tiers without a single explanation except for WoG, which is a joke when it comes to Marvel Comics. It isn't like we never had outliers for characters like this, so Jane beating Odin is more PIS or CIS if anything.

This Modern Thor is at least potrayed as being significantly stronger than his base based on his current run, and Ultro using Odin's power was able to perform feats higher than a 4-B.

We have currently by far only used this Classic key concept for Doctor Strange, who had a very reasonable explaination for his power loss, and even then, the Modern Strange basically returned back to his initial Classic tier with his capabilities. Some other writer is hired who realizes "Oh wait, Character X was this powerful, I can probably write them like that again" and then writes him as such, so we shouldn't be using atleast a few writers at the time's showcasing, especially when literally like, no reason for it. As stated before, Teenage Spider-Man was a consistent 9-A but we never list him as such because future writers used to scale him from his modern incarnation, and qrote alotta different High 8-C feats with the teenage one, we're using the other side of PIS to justify why we're downgrading him, when like two writers disagree on it

 

[SuperAPM]

Wow, completely forgot about this.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, Zark made a good point.